I have some questions, I think they might have been answered in this topic, but want to make sure.

1) Is it possible to permanently gimp a demon's stats by rebirthing wrong?

2) If I rebirth a demon as soon as the requirements for the next rank are met, would it still be as strong as a demon that's rebirthed at 97 every time? A clan mate told me that waiting til 97 just makes it hit max stats with less rebirths, just want to make sure he's right.

3) If I max out a demon's rebirths in one growth type, is it possible to switch to another, then go back, and get boosts through the ranks over again, while keeping the boosts from when it went through all ranks? For example, if a demon went through all Peorth ranks, then went to Eihwaz, then rebirthed back to Peorth, would it continue to get the bonuses from Peorth, even though it already went through the highest rank of Peorth?

4) Should I bother getting a demon with a special growth to 97 since once it rebirths, it can't get any more ranks in that growth? Or would it still be able to get the same stats without it? I have a Lilim I would like to rebirth soon, but I'm hesitant to rebirth her early, because I don't want to lose the ability to max out the boosts from the Lilim growth. But at the same time, there are better growths than that, and I'm tempted to rebirth her to Peorth.

1) Naw, can't permanently gimp your demon.
Say you have a demon with melee skills, but one day you get really drunk and do a lot of magic-focused rebirths. How to fix that? Switch back to melee-focused rebirths and that's all. The only momento from those magic-focused rebirths is a bonus to default spell stat of your demon, no negative effects.

2) Yep, the demons will be equally strong.
Say you rebirth 2 demons from tiwaz rank 3 to tiwaz rank 4. But you rebirth one demon at minimum requirements (lv50 for rank 4) and another one at lv97. What happens to both demons?
Demon A (lv50):
-previous permanent stat bonus (+8 to default cls-r of the demon) from tiwaz is erased;
-new permanent stat bonus (+12 to default cls-r of the demon) is applied;
-stat gain pattern for the demon is switched from tiwaz 3 to tiwaz 4;
-stats for the demon are re-set to his default stats at lv0.
Demon B (lv97):
-previous permanent stat bonus (+8 to default cls-r of the demon) from tiwaz is erased;
-new permanent stat bonus (+12 to default cls-r of the demon) is applied;
-stat gain pattern for the demon is switched from tiwaz 3 to tiwaz 4;
-stats for the demon are re-set to his default stats at lv0.
Wait! What's the difference then? The awesome secret difference: you paid more maccas for lv97 rebirth. <<< highlight the text to learn the not-so-secret-anymore truth.

3) No, rank 8 is the max permanent bonus you will ever gain from one growth type. Can't get more than that.

4) Lilim growth type is only a stat gain pattern (so-so to boot), there are no attached bonuses to it and no rank 2 lilim growth. Rebirth her right away, you aren't losing anything.

Thanks, and a few other questions. Higher level demons always start at rank 1 of a growth, right? I see demons with special variations of growths like Big/Blessed/Master, but they're all just stronger versions of the first rank, right? I'm trying to pick out what demons I want to get based mainly on bonuses and resists, and I want to make sure I don't assume a demon has good bonuses, when it merely has those bonuses because it's already advanced in ranks.

Secondly, what's the cap for the bonuses, like CLS-R, LNG-R, Spell,etc? That will help a lot, because there are some demons I like, and I think they can reach the cap for bonuses, even though their bonuses are lower than higher level demons. And seeing how most bonuses at rank 8 end up giving +28 per 4 levels (unless I understand it wrong), it should actually be possible for any demon to have the same bonuses in the end, right?

Lastly, I may be misunderstanding it, but it seems that if a demon has Wyrd for it's growth, it gets 1k extra HP and 300 MP if I rebirth it to rank 3 (of course waiting til 41 to get the 10th bonus raise). Is this accurate? And would it be able to get a bonus of 60k-70k HP by 99 if it's at the last rank of Wyrd?

I have a feeling you are confusing stat gains for leveling up your demon and permanent bonuses to stats that you get from performing rebirths.
Bonuses from rebirths add to your demon's stats only once. So, no, you aren't going to get +28 <insert some stat here> every 4 levels (I am not sure where you got this number too... why 4 and not 7 or 20?). +1khp and +300mp for rank 3 wyrd is a very fancy thought too. For wyrd r3 you get additional +80hp and +20mp once and that's it.

Yeah, always rank 1.
The difference between Big Laguz (Tiwaz/Peorth/whatever) and Inexperienced Laguz is that Big one gains more stats for level ups than Inexperinced one. They are both still rank 1 for rebirth, just slightly different stat gain patterns for leveling up.

The caps for bonuses for rebirth are listed on the 1st page in the 1st post: rank 8 tiwaz = +28 cls-r, rank 8 peorth = +28 spell, etc.
I have never heard anything about actually maxing the stats for demons. So far players managed to get the important for them stats in 200-300 range. 200 is enough to hit 9999 with your demons.

I could've swore the wiki said demons get the bonuses every 4 levels, although I guess I got stats confused with bonuses. And my Setanta seemed to get some extra CLS-R every 4 levels, although I'm guessing that stuff like CLS-R, LNG-R, etc is just a reflection of their actual stats.

And after doing some research, to those who say that low level demons like Cait Sith suck, I have to say just one thing.



Properly rebirthed, they can hit over 200 for any bonus!

Sorry, couldn't pass up an opportunity to use this pic =D

I have a question, is it better to rebirth along one path to it's max then switch or to level all the paths equally one by one?

nocturnerei wrote:

I have a question, is it better to rebirth along one path to it's max then switch or to level all the paths equally one by one?

1st post of this thread (read this part carefully, please):

Glocker wrote:

NOTE: If you changed to another growth type and you want to go back to it... Let's say, you stopped at R4 Sigel and you wanted to start Ingwaz, you'll need to pay the cost for the latest rebirth lv on that growth type. In our little example, we went from R4 Sigel to R1 Ingwaz. If we want to go back to Sigel, we need to pay the R4 cost, that means, it won't go higher, you'll have to start R4 again, then reach lv 60 for R5 and so on. My best advice: Check all the growth types, make a rebirth plan (that means, choose which growths you want to train), and either leave the main one or another you picked up for the last one. That way, you'll optimize your macca and time.

TL;DR Leveling all the paths equally one by one will double/triple/quadruple/etc. the experience you need for moving forward with your rebirths. The double/triple/whatever multiplier depends on how many paths you are doing at once.

hmm

ive noticed lilth was a master? peorth

after completeing rank 8's hagalaz/lagaz/ingwaz/sowilo/wyrd and rank 7 in ansuz/nauthiz

and currently lvl 93 of peorth 8(ain soph) i pondered to myself over her original "Master" peorth
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after asking a few people, who didnt know for sure. ill just ask here.

keeping in mind the completed rb's above. would being a lvl 93 Master Peorth(+ all rb's+ peorth8) have more or less spell then lvl 93 peorth rank8(+all rb's) ?

may sound silly but people have went both ways on this one.

Master Peorth would suck like a vacuum cleaner.

Gloriously knowledgeable Finella has a page about stat gains for different growths.
Compare Magic gain for Full Pertho (that's Master Peorth) and Pertho of Ain Soph (your rank 8 Peorth). R8 Peorth gets about 50% better Magic stat if we compare it to the original Master Peorth growth.
Look and compare a bit more and you will see that Master Peorth is very close to R2 Peorth in terms of stats. Any rebirth past that point (rank 3 and onward) beats it.

i see.was worth askin, atleast.