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romelishus

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PostedFeb 09, 2014 3:44 am

Scorpina's Way of Peeling Stuff from Tanks (which is bad)

Duelist/Guardian MAX DPS-DOT-Off Tank Guide (PLEASE STICKY)
Disclaimer: This is a work-in-progress guide. The author doesn't force anyone to follow or copy, everything in the content. Use at your own volition.

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INTRODUCTION:

Hi. My name is Mel and I have been using my Duelist/Guardian Scorpina for about a month now. Having used her for just about any situation led me into creating a guide for all Duelists in search of help and information. I know that the Duelist part of the forums might have been crowded with guides, but I just can't find a similar style of play from any of those. Katsuie's got her Duelist/Sorc, DarS might have gotten Duelist/Guardian before but switched, and others are discussing about other Duelist/Insert-Subclass. Hence, with no further ado, I present to you my way of peeling stuff from tanks.

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EIDOLON:

You might be wondering why I started discussing about my Eidolon first before my stats. Well, as many currently don't know (or just doesn't give a **** about), is that your Eidolon gives you STATS. So lemme start by introducing...

Belle (2-Star Bel-Chandra)



Bel-Chandras are Duelists' bestfriends. Their main stat turns out to be CRIT thus sharing a bit more of that stat compared to others. Also, Bel-Chandra's skill SHOCKING DANCE gives you and your party mates CRIT and CRIT-DMG. This plays a large factor when we discuss the next part which is stats.

Other worthy Eidolon partners would be:
Uzuriel (Basically the same as Bel-Chandra, albeit harder to grab)
Eligos (Preferrable for PVP since he gives DMG and ACC)

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STATS and EQUIPMENTS:

Now I let you see the difference of having an Eidolon and having none in terms of stats.

WITHOUT EIDOLON



WITH EIDOLON


Just summoning my Eidolon gives me:
1. 1.4k Damage
2. 2% CRIT
3. 1.5k HP
4. 3% DEF

OFFENSIVE STATS:
As you can see, I've invested a fair share of my offensive stats into CRIT. CRIT does merit its own benefits since it means you can proc HIGH CRIT-DMG critical strikes more frequently.
Bel-Chandra also gives you help in the CRIT department as aforementioned. CRIT-DMG is mostly gear dependent except for the usual Eidolon buff, consumables and Envoy's Path, though a brunt of it can be given by the Duelist Skill SNOWFLOWER.

OFFENSIVE EQUIPMENT:


I have crafted my main weapon and my off-hand weapon using CRIT-DMG 15% Supression Cores giving me a total of 30% CRIT-DMG on weapons alone. If you noticed my Secret Stones, it would tell you that I also have CRIT-DMG from them. This set enables me to clear out mobs with ease. In case of PVP, I have also crafted another weapon set with ACC 15% cores.

You might ask me, WHY FIA'S FAIRY DUST and not ARGUS'S DRAGON HEART? Well, the answer lies in my CRIT-DMG.


CRIT-DMG caps at 300% at the moment and as seen, my Primary Weapon Crit Damage is already at 284% without Bel-Chandra's CRIT-DMG buff. Her SHOCKING DANCE can be applied every 6.5 seconds and lasts around 10 secs, which would mean I'd have nearly permanent 300% CRIT-DMG as long as she casts the skill. I wouldnt leave anything to chance, so I got the other trophy instead.

Here is it applied.


DEFENSIVE STATS:
My defensive stats are a no-brainer. I just so happen to like having 30k-ish HP without compromising DEF so I balanced it out. Having said that, it does help being a Guardian Sub. Why? Because the Guardian's 2 defensive skills, namely PHALANX and MIRRORED SHIELD can go hand in hand with the Duelist skill PURPLE LIGHTNING. Phalanx lowers damage taken by a fixed number in addition to Purple Lightning's -20% Damage taken. In exchange, Mirrored Shield returns back a fixed amount of damage to the enemy. With these 3 combined, you could have the upper hand in PVP duels and boss fights.

DEFENSIVE EQUIPMENT:
My duelist gears offensively just because I think duelist should focus more on dealing damage rather than sucking them up. If you really wanted to survive, you better learn to dodge Red AOEs of bosses and mobs, plus, invest in elemental armors. Just to be sure, at least upgrade your gear up to +9s to have DEF.

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ENVOY:



Technically this Envoy Path route focuses on having more DMG, CRIT, CRIT-DMG. It also grants you 2 passives. BAT FANG grants you heals equal to 3% of the damage dealt to enemies. The other one, FRENZY, grants you 25% chance to deal more damage over time. We also got an ultimate SANGUINE BLADE for several purposes to be discussed later.

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MASTERIES:

I have two mastery sets. One for PVE and one for PVP.

PVE


General Skills: Cracking Slash - DOTs Crit and with high CRIT-DMG, you'll be having high DOT values.
Attack Spec: Callousness - Constant CRIT and CRIT-DMG works better compared to a chance buff.
Advanced Skills: Lightning Strike - Same reasoning as with Cracking Slash. Higher DOTs. Be reminded though that this DOT only takes effect under Purple Lightning.
Defense Spec: Courage - Good HP buffer plus it works well with Purple Lightning and Guardian buffs.
Tactical Spec: Break Defense - The usually chance steroid for DPS characters. Makes enemies more vulnerable.
Special Skills: Deep Blue - Grants you DMG and it somehow minimizes your chance of getting aggro.

PVP


General Skills: Eagle Drive - More CRIT = More Burst Damage
Attack Spec: Callousness
Advanced Skills: From The Shadows - The damage buff from Purple Lightning means you dish out more damage in a short amount of time using your skills rather than let people die from your DOTs. Sometimes a second may spell a win from a loss.
Defense Spec: Extreme Speed - We get this for the movespeed buff, not for the EVA. Makes chasing easier.
Tactical Spec: Expose Weakness - The typical counter-Bard/counter-healing spec.
Special Skills: Dust Fragment - If my ultimate crits, its usually insta-win, with my CRIT-DMG and all.

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SKILL ROTATION:

In order to get the utmost DPS-DOT you can deal on a target, you have set your skill succession. First we have to learn that Duelists have 3 AOE skills in their arsenal namely Slash Cut, Deadly Wink and Dancing Balisong. Slash Cut hits targets infront of you. Deadly Wink and Dancing Balisong have larger AOEs. With this knowledge we could build a rotation for every situation.

Rotation for Mobs (Otherworld Skandia, etc.)
Slash Cut->Snowflower->Deadly Wink->Dancing Balisong->Slash Cut (repeat)
Press TAB if monster is dead to change target.

Rotation for Single Target (PVP/Boss Fight/Single Enemy)
*Every Boss/PVP fight starts with you buffing Purple Lightning, Phalanx, and Mirrored Shield
Whirling Dance->Slash Cut->Cross Slash->Snowflower->Deadly Wink->Slash Cut->Cross Slash->Slash Cut->Cross Slash->Snowflower->Deadly Wink (repeat)

Why didnt you include Dancing Balisong on Boss/PVP fights?
Dancing Balisong is reserved to heal HP on crucial moments. Feel free to insert it anytime in the rotation when you need a quick heal. Sanguine Blade is considered to have the same as Dancing Balisong's use though it could also be used for dodging Boss AOEs.

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QUESTION AND ANSWER:

Question: Does the Snowflower buff (CRIT-DMG) stack with Bel-Chandra's CRIT-DMG buff?
Answer: YES. Any CRIT-DMG item/buff/consumable stacks with Snowflower, BUT, even with the Snowflower buff, CRIT-DMG doesn't go beyond 300%.

*Will update with questions posted in this thread*

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LOG AND CREDITS:

LOG
2/9/14: MADE AND POSTED GUIDE.


CREDITS:
Thanks to Google.
Thanks to Portskandia.com
Thanks to Aeriagames.com
Thanks to Katsuie, DarS, and other Duelist guides
Thanks to my PC
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PostedFeb 09, 2014 4:38 pm
you speed, up it to 10% for 0.9s dot.

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PostedFeb 10, 2014 10:47 am
No speed really needed. The main focus really would be the high critical damages. Any value on SPD would only lower your crit rate therefore reducing your DPS imo.

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PostedFeb 10, 2014 11:56 am
You do a pretty good amount of damage with DoTs. Whether it's a boss or really chunky opponent (what your guide is for), so you're gonna be using them. Here's a quick look at what speed does to your DoTs.


10%= tick every .9 seconds. In 100 seconds, I'd get 111.11 ticks in. That's 111% damage.
30% = tick every .8 seconds. In 100 seconds, I'd get 125 ticks in. That's 125% damage.

So looking at your build, at the cost of barely any stat points, you can increase a large part of your damage for barely any investment. I'm not saying you should get 30% speed as this would certainly lower your crit rate, but you should certainly consider raising speed that tiny bit to hit 10%.

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PostedFeb 10, 2014 8:46 pm
SPD is bad, you will gain way more out of pure crit even for dots and your rotation wont speed up at all. Eidolon buffs 7% of your stats with a 2 star eidolon, which stats they have doesnt matter. You overcapped way too much on critdmg, you should throw out fias dust and get the orange totos tusks or lvl 60 ones tomorrow, you also have 55% critdmg on bosses due to your scimtar and aria set so you go way over 300% if you want to maximize your dmg tone down some of your critdmg and get other useful stats like critrate or pure dmg.
Besides you should only use Phalanx and Mirrored Shield once you actually get the aggro which will take a few seconds because Guards have a better malice in the first few seconds than us because we need to stack up our dots.

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PostedFeb 10, 2014 9:49 pm
SPD scales worse than crit at most times, but only looking at DoT, you will get a far greater return by getting that tiny bit needed to hit 10% speed than even several percentage points in crit rate. It will raise the total damage of his DoTs by 11% (which of course is stacked on top of the increase in dps his crits give, so if he had a total increase of 150% of bade damage from his crits, that 11% would make his total 166.5%)

Note, this only applies to DoTs. I also only advise it because it takes hardly any investment for him to hit the 10% SPD mark. BlackPressure is correct that crit typically gets more boost in damage than SPD and it certainly won't boost non-DoT dps. However, in this situation, a bit of SPD is the better investment. I plan to make a guide on how stats effect DoT damage soon, though it's fairly easy to learn by looking through other guides on the forums.

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PostedFeb 11, 2014 8:07 am
 
SPD is bad, you will gain way more out of pure crit even for dots and your rotation wont speed up at all. Eidolon buffs 7% of your stats with a 2 star eidolon, which stats they have doesnt matter. You overcapped way too much on critdmg, you should throw out fias dust and get the orange totos tusks or lvl 60 ones tomorrow, you also have 55% critdmg on bosses due to your scimtar and aria set so you go way over 300% if you want to maximize your dmg tone down some of your critdmg and get other useful stats like critrate or pure dmg.
Besides you should only use Phalanx and Mirrored Shield once you actually get the aggro which will take a few seconds because Guards have a better malice in the first few seconds than us because we need to stack up our dots.  


What I actually aim for is for me to hit 300% on all targets including people. I do know that I overcapped crit-d on bosses but as they say, we're better off being over in something compared to finding ourselves lacking. Let me do give your suggestion a try though, afterwards I'll post my comments.

As for Phalanx and Mirrored Shield, I usually get the aggro after the 2nd/3rd Purple Lightning'ed Deadly Wink and some Cross Slashes in between. That takes about 10-15 secs after the start of the boss battle. Still saves me from a few seconds of aggro.


 
SPD scales worse than crit at most times, but only looking at DoT, you will get a far greater return by getting that tiny bit needed to hit 10% speed than even several percentage points in crit rate. It will raise the total damage of his DoTs by 11% (which of course is stacked on top of the increase in dps his crits give, so if he had a total increase of 150% of bade damage from his crits, that 11% would make his total 166.5%)

Note, this only applies to DoTs. I also only advise it because it takes hardly any investment for him to hit the 10% SPD mark. BlackPressure is correct that crit typically gets more boost in damage than SPD and it certainly won't boost non-DoT dps. However, in this situation, a bit of SPD is the better investment. I plan to make a guide on how stats effect DoT damage soon, though it's fairly easy to learn by looking through other guides on the forums.  


It would take me less than 10 offensive points to get SPD to 10% since I have 9.67% at the moment. What I dont know is that if it would be a huge jump on my DOT by adding a measly 1.33% on SPD.

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PostedFeb 11, 2014 4:03 pm
I recently made that guide on DoT damage I was talking about. Can be found here.

I'll use the equation on your build. I'm being a bit fast on this (college), so I'll only be using your main weapon crit damage and am only going from if you had your current set up exactly the same except for the speed.

Using your primary weapon's crit rate and damage, we multiply 65*1.84 to get 119.6%. We add this to your base DoT damage and you should be dealing 219.6% of the DoT's base damage with your current build.

Now, if you had 10% speed we'd see an 11.1% increase to your DoT damage due to getting more ticks in less time. So, to find out what that is we multiply 1.111*2.196 and after some rounding get 2.440, or just about 244.0%.

That's an over 20% increase in DoT damage. Now, going to find out real quick how much each point invested in CRIT ups your DoT damage. Every point in crit increases the score by .25%. Every percent raises your DoT dps by 1.84 (your crit damage - 100%). Divide this by 4 and you achieve .46% increase per a stat point invested in CRIT.


In summary, you will up your DoT damage by about 20% if you get 10% speed. To compare you increase your DoT damage by about .46% per a stat point invested in Crit at the moment.
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