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PostedDec 27, 2013 5:33 pm

[All-in-one] Wizard Sub-Class/Builds Discussions

End-Game Wizard Sub-class/Build discussions Compilation from TW server forum!
There are way too many Wizard/Class threads in this forum and I guess it would be a good idea to focus on one thread.

Here is what I found for now (From TW/HK forum).
You may have to use google translate to convert it to english.

Wizard/Sorc(Staff/Grim) VS Wizard/Bard(Staff/Harp)
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=39978&tnum=11&subbsn=9 (In-dept discussion...including one comment on gun i guess)
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=41666&tnum=9&subbsn=9


Wizard/Sorc(Staff/Grim) VS Wizard/Bow(Staff/Bow)
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=23749&tnum=3&subbsn=9

Wizard/Guns(Staff/Gun) VS Wizard/Bow(Staff/Bow)
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=45330&tnum=6&subbsn=9


Wizard/Bard (Staff/harp) Build Discussion:
http://tw.meetgee.com/MiniSite/Topic/View.aspx?ID=2063573&GameID=2007921 (Clear version with clear pictures)
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=33317&tnum=16&subbsn=9
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=46245&tnum=3&subbsn=9

Wizard/Sorc (Staff/Grim) Build Discussion:
http://tw.meetgee.com/MiniSite/Topic/View.aspx?ID=2063572&GameID=2007921 (Clear version with clear pictures)
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=31372&tnum=55&subbsn=9
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=8772&tnum=18&subbsn=9

Wizard/Gun(Staff/Gun) Build Discussion:
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=42172&tnum=14&subbsn=9
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=43926&tnum=4&subbsn=9 (Envoy Path)
http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=24451&snA=21556&tnum=11&subbsn=9 (PvP Old version)

Current Wizard sub-class popularity in TW server:
Most used sub-class ---> Less used sub-calss
Wizard/Bard > Wizard/Sorc > Wizard/Gun

I hope some expert here can refer to the info. above to create a better build/guide for Wizard/Sub-class in English. Thanks
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PostedDec 27, 2013 8:55 pm
Thanks, that really helped me (:

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PostedDec 27, 2013 9:06 pm
Devilika wrote:
Thanks, that really helped me (:  


Glad it helps! Very Happy

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PostedDec 27, 2013 10:30 pm
So far I found 2 strong arguments:

Wizard/Sorc (Staff/Grim):

By SpringS(星-空):

我的論點如下

1.杖擁有群冰,使書的單綁顯得無用

2.杖擁有群暈,使搖滾電音重要性下降,取而代之的是書的睡是杖沒有的cc

3.杖祈福能解1個debuff跟小補,真言重要性下降

(但不可否認的是真言cd短且目前debuff常常一次來數個,只靠祈福解不完)

4.書有雙印dot吃爆,本人爆杖適合此兩技能發揮,且雙印有特殊buff(雖然目前效用不大)

5.跟團大部分會有補師,且單刷可以帶副蝙蝠,琴實用性下降

6.琴暴風曲扣防、小情歌加傷/防都需綁定奧義,而書的雙印buff不綁奧義

基於以上6點,書的實用性對我來說比琴高

給你參考看看




Wizard/Bard (Staff/Harp):

By eyes0313(艾斯)


先講副本方面

第一. 單人副本→這跟你副武是啥、你人物能力是傷暴防血速閃有關係嗎? 你要慢慢清過去 還是怪拖到王一次炸 反正就是輕鬆輾 單人副本哪個有難度的? (如果你真的覺得難 那..配把蝙蝠副武吧)

第二. 單刷55地獄→現在主武拿60橘or65金 輸出已經不是這些副本的怪可以承受 基本上都是輕鬆打
配琴有小情歌穩定 打王都沒壓力 副武配蝙蝠跟不用說 當然配書也可以 (但在60武開放前 副武配書 想單刷地獄只有折磨自己+水喝的兇而已 配琴一樣無壓力)

第三. 60異界&天空塔→有人說 杖琴 隊伍裡有補 你的副琴就沒用? 是嗎? 如果是雷補怎辦? 遇到雷補 不如自己補~~ 如果是猛補 那你不是更可以輕鬆愉悅的放著你的火隕石嗎@@? 此時的琴沒用 那又如何... 再來...你是杖書的話 隊伍裡有主書 那你書有啥用? 就算沒主書 你的副書 也沒有多大的效益...的確有時可以救命 但琴 有時也能救命 這裡就不比較 各有優劣

但接下來要講個狀況...不管你今天是再推天塔 還是60異界 隊伍沒補怎麼辦? 還是你非要有補你才跟團? 如果是 那沒話可說 但 其實 1坦4打 全副琴 就夠了 猛一點的甚至不需要坦 這時如果你不是副琴 你確定你活的下來嗎...被王秒不講 你夠硬 摸一下一半到殘血 請問你副書要幹麻?
小弟副琴 60橘杖 全身+9綠裝 天空塔隊伍裡沒補 自己疊搖滾 危及時順補 10層推完 死兩次 存活率之高 60異界常常跟沒補的野團 疊藍調 只要隊友不要太雷 幾乎不會有生命危險

以上是副本

在來說PVP
5V5戰場→狀況一. 有書可以睡 但你CD多久... 主書隨便都連睡 哪輪的到你去睡...

狀況二. 跟敵對玩家上路一挑一輸贏 你贏了 但你被打到殘血..這時 副書的你 怎麼辦? (沒怎麼辦 等著被任何職業摸一下撿走...蛤..你說你能睡?一個暴風曲你就掰了 你睡誰阿= =...) 這時你副琴呢? 不用解釋了吧...立刻把血弄滿再去弄下一位

PK→ 這是我認為副書唯一好處 就是 跟玩家"單挑"的時候(這裡只對同主武做比較)
這時的確副書會比副琴有優勢多了 放個睡 副琴的對手不敢順雷衝你 他衝了就被睡 你就從容的繞背制裁他吧 他不衝 你就衝 一樣送他回老家

總結以上→如果你玩這遊戲PK至上 其他不重要 那就換書吧
其餘狀況 小弟個人認為階是副琴比較好~~


Hope someone can translate it properly in English

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PostedDec 28, 2013 8:06 am
Thanks for the guide. However picking a sub class shouldn't be based on popularity of such choice but rather your own personal style and preferences.

I chose Wiz/Sorc because i don't like being the support guy and i rather focus myself on dps. If someone prefers to be more of a mix between support and dps, they should pick bard.

As for Wizard/Gun i haven't really seen anyone with it but it sounds like a fun combo since they are both long range. Even cannon would be an interesting choice.

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PostedDec 28, 2013 9:10 am
jotasnake wrote:
Thanks for the guide. However picking a sub class shouldn't be based on popularity of such choice but rather your own personal style and preferences.

I chose Wiz/Sorc because i don't like being the support guy and i rather focus myself on dps. If someone prefers to be more of a mix between support and dps, they should pick bard.

As for Wizard/Gun i haven't really seen anyone with it but it sounds like a fun combo since they are both long range. Even cannon would be an interesting choice.  


I agree with you that we don't need to pick a class based on popularity. But higher popularity means you are on the "safe" side. Of course, it's also good to be unique, to be honest, I really really want to try Wizard/Gun(I love those traps), however, I've yet to find a solid guide/build for that. Since this game is more PvE than PvP, I hope Wizard/Guns do well in PvE too, but really need some people advices on that. My current goal at this moment is to find a good Builds(PvE wise) for Wizard/Gun

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PostedDec 28, 2013 9:23 am
AuraGalaxy wrote:
jotasnake wrote:
Thanks for the guide. However picking a sub class shouldn't be based on popularity of such choice but rather your own personal style and preferences.

I chose Wiz/Sorc because i don't like being the support guy and i rather focus myself on dps. If someone prefers to be more of a mix between support and dps, they should pick bard.

As for Wizard/Gun i haven't really seen anyone with it but it sounds like a fun combo since they are both long range. Even cannon would be an interesting choice.  


I agree with you that we don't need to pick a class based on popularity. But higher popularity means you are on the "safe" side. Of course, it's also good to be unique, to be honest, I really really want to try Wizard/Gun(I love those traps), however, I've yet to find a solid guide/build for that. Since this game is more PvE than PvP, I hope Wizard/Guns do well in PvE too, but really need some people advices on that. My current goal at this moment is to find a good Builds(PvE wise) for Wizard/Gun  

Do you even know the purpose of picking a sub weapon Gun for Wizard? If not, rather than looking for a good guide for Wizard/Gun, why not you start from figuring out why people pick a Gun sub. If you can figure out why people picked Gun sub for Wizard, I am sure that at that time you will be able to play it more effectively and you will no longer need to follow a guide.

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PostedDec 28, 2013 10:22 am
superalimx wrote:
AuraGalaxy wrote:
jotasnake wrote:
Thanks for the guide. However picking a sub class shouldn't be based on popularity of such choice but rather your own personal style and preferences.

I chose Wiz/Sorc because i don't like being the support guy and i rather focus myself on dps. If someone prefers to be more of a mix between support and dps, they should pick bard.

As for Wizard/Gun i haven't really seen anyone with it but it sounds like a fun combo since they are both long range. Even cannon would be an interesting choice.  


I agree with you that we don't need to pick a class based on popularity. But higher popularity means you are on the "safe" side. Of course, it's also good to be unique, to be honest, I really really want to try Wizard/Gun(I love those traps), however, I've yet to find a solid guide/build for that. Since this game is more PvE than PvP, I hope Wizard/Guns do well in PvE too, but really need some people advices on that. My current goal at this moment is to find a good Builds(PvE wise) for Wizard/Gun  

Do you even know the purpose of picking a sub weapon Gun for Wizard? If not, rather than looking for a good guide for Wizard/Gun, why not you start from figuring out why people pick a Gun sub. If you can figure out why people picked Gun sub for Wizard, I am sure that at that time you will be able to play it more effectively and you will no longer need to follow a guide.  


I think people take gun as sub class is for wizard to be good in PvP?

But at the same time, I'm not sure if we can tweak the builds so that it won't suck too much for PvE....

U seems to be from TW server, I would appreciate if u could share ur opinion on this. Thanks

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PostedDec 28, 2013 10:45 am
AuraGalaxy wrote:
superalimx wrote:
AuraGalaxy wrote:
jotasnake wrote:
Thanks for the guide. However picking a sub class shouldn't be based on popularity of such choice but rather your own personal style and preferences.

I chose Wiz/Sorc because i don't like being the support guy and i rather focus myself on dps. If someone prefers to be more of a mix between support and dps, they should pick bard.

As for Wizard/Gun i haven't really seen anyone with it but it sounds like a fun combo since they are both long range. Even cannon would be an interesting choice.  


I agree with you that we don't need to pick a class based on popularity. But higher popularity means you are on the "safe" side. Of course, it's also good to be unique, to be honest, I really really want to try Wizard/Gun(I love those traps), however, I've yet to find a solid guide/build for that. Since this game is more PvE than PvP, I hope Wizard/Guns do well in PvE too, but really need some people advices on that. My current goal at this moment is to find a good Builds(PvE wise) for Wizard/Gun  

Do you even know the purpose of picking a sub weapon Gun for Wizard? If not, rather than looking for a good guide for Wizard/Gun, why not you start from figuring out why people pick a Gun sub. If you can figure out why people picked Gun sub for Wizard, I am sure that at that time you will be able to play it more effectively and you will no longer need to follow a guide.  


I think people take gun as sub class is for wizard to stand a chance in PvP?

But at the same time, I'm not sure if we can tweak the builds so that it won't suck too much for PvE....

U seems to be from TW server, I would appreciate if u could share ur opinion on this. Thanks  

well, i'm not really experienced on this, but i'll to share some of my thoughts
I Agree with the post about trying without guide
there's some reason people choose "wizard as main class and gunner as sub class", it can be because "The combination of skills (trap and magic, uber slow movement speed that makes you walk like an old lady", or "bonus stat for endgame weapon, " or maybe because it's still cbt and the level cap is 50, i'll chose this class to troll people on duels, etc etc

and for PVE, i think wizard alone is good for AOE clearing, and for gunner you got 2 AOE skills

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PostedDec 28, 2013 2:08 pm
They pick the gun for extra run speed, and the traps, no other reason for the guns.

Its a matter of play style.
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