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PHDInPVM

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PostedMay 13, 2013 9:38 am

It's Time For A Change

Regular Updates and Bug Fixes
Although I've thoroughly enjoyed playing Last Chaos for many years, I am beginning to grow more and more disappointed in Aeria for their utter lack of initiative when it comes to fixing the myriad of things wrong with the game.

Why is it that Tiered Events and Item Mall packages are updated on a daily or weekly basis while many of the serious bugs in the game have remained for years?
The answer is money. We all know it.
Now, I don't want to seem like a disgruntled customer.
As mentioned, I enjoy playing the game.
What I don't enjoy is watching it fall apart because of neglect.

Example 1

When I first got to Vladimir in late 2011 or early 2012 there was a glitch where you could fall under the map at Hecate and you'd have to work your way around or use a recall scroll to get back where you needed to be.
Here we are, nearly halfway through 2013, and yet the same glitch is there.
Are you honestly going to try to tell me that you can't fix a basic bug like that, Aeria?
Inexcusable.

Example 2

My favorite mountable P2 pet is the Red Diesel. I've had mine for well over a year and I still love it now as much as I did when I first bought it.
However, sometimes when you're riding it will randomly glitch up and stop moving.
Then you have to dismount and mount again in order to continue moving.
It seems to me like that would be a problem easily solved.
Am I a programmer? No. But I've probably been playing MMORPG's longer than a handful of the Aeria staff has been working on the technical side of gaming.
Not to say that I don't have respect for their workforce, because I do.
But I expect the people in charge to do their job the way it should be done.
And even if it was the most challenging problem in the entire game, why has it still not been fixed in well over a year?

Example 3

So apparently April was considered "bug fix month". That's pretty cool. Or at least it would be if I could actually see bugs and glitches being fixed.
During the whole month of April the patch notes only documented 4 bugs that were fixed and eluded to several more that none of us will get to know about apparently.
Frankly, that's not good enough.
Are you seriously going to tell me that in a whole month of work they only managed to fix 4 bugs noteworthy enough to make it to the patch notes?
And what about updates since then?

My Main Issue

The patch notes haven't even been updated since April 24th.
Gearing up for something big? That would be nice. But I doubt it.
And honestly, even if they are, they should still be letting us (the people who pay their salary) in on the particulars of their upcoming fixes and updates.

Now, I'm assuming that for some people this post is going to seem a bit hostile or disrespectful. Rest assured that that is not my intention. However, I am done being silent about these matters. Aeria needs to remember that we are their customers, not merely an audience to watch them tinker with technology. Without the players who pay for AP on a weekly or monthly basis, there would be no Last Chaos. And if they allow their secretiveness with the players and pacifism with the developers to continue, then it's only a matter of time before the ship sinks.

Reformation

Change needs to start with the GM's. Until the Game Masters start being more open with the community with regard to the coming updates, as well as their efforts to resolve outstanding code issues, they will be failing to do their job properly. I would like to remind them that they are not Office Masters, they are Game Masters. They need to start making more time to get in the game and talk with players about what's really going on.

Also, they need to listen up when the community brings out new ideas for gameplay or points out bugs and glitches that need to be fixed. Then, once these things have been brought to their attention, they need to work swiftly to go through the proper channels in order to get these problems fixed. And in the interim, they need to openly communicate with the players so that we all know exactly how hard they're working.
Doing it any other way simply isn't good enough from my perspective.

Granted, not every player is going to have useful suggestions for the game.
But when there are players who have a valid complaint or concern, their voices should be heard. And once the GM's have the information, then they need to use it.

If Aeria can start putting as much energy into taking suggestions and putting them to use as they put into Tiered Events and AP sales, then the game will start being the way it should be.


I'd like to hear from the rest of the community and see what your thoughts are on this.
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mattywashere

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PostedMay 13, 2013 10:59 am

Re: It's Time For A Change

Regular Updates and Bug Fixes
PHDInPVM wrote:
Although I've thoroughly enjoyed playing Last Chaos for many years, I am beginning to grow more and more disappointed in Aeria for their utter lack of initiative when it comes to fixing the myriad of things wrong with the game.

Why is it that Tiered Events and Item Mall packages are updated on a daily or weekly basis while many of the serious bugs in the game have remained for years?
The answer is money. We all know it.
Now, I don't want to seem like a disgruntled customer.
As mentioned, I enjoy playing the game.
What I don't enjoy is watching it fall apart because of neglect.

Example 1

When I first got to Vladimir in late 2011 or early 2012 there was a glitch where you could fall under the map at Hecate and you'd have to work your way around or use a recall scroll to get back where you needed to be.
Here we are, nearly halfway through 2013, and yet the same glitch is there.
Are you honestly going to try to tell me that you can't fix a basic bug like that, Aeria?
Inexcusable.

Example 2

My favorite mountable P2 pet is the Red Diesel. I've had mine for well over a year and I still love it now as much as I did when I first bought it.
However, sometimes when you're riding it will randomly glitch up and stop moving.
Then you have to dismount and mount again in order to continue moving.
It seems to me like that would be a problem easily solved.
Am I a programmer? No. But I've probably been playing MMORPG's longer than a handful of the Aeria staff has been working on the technical side of gaming.
Not to say that I don't have respect for their workforce, because I do.
But I expect the people in charge to do their job the way it should be done.
And even if it was the most challenging problem in the entire game, why has it still not been fixed in well over a year?

Example 3

So apparently April was considered "bug fix month". That's pretty cool. Or at least it would be if I could actually see bugs and glitches being fixed.
During the whole month of April the patch notes only documented 4 bugs that were fixed and eluded to several more that none of us will get to know about apparently.
Frankly, that's not good enough.
Are you seriously going to tell me that in a whole month of work they only managed to fix 4 bugs noteworthy enough to make it to the patch notes?
And what about updates since then?

My Main Issue

The patch notes haven't even been updated since April 24th.
Gearing up for something big? That would be nice. But I doubt it.
And honestly, even if they are, they should still be letting us (the people who pay their salary) in on the particulars of their upcoming fixes and updates.

Now, I'm assuming that for some people this post is going to seem a bit hostile or disrespectful. Rest assured that that is not my intention. However, I am done being silent about these matters. Aeria needs to remember that we are their customers, not merely an audience to watch them tinker with technology. Without the players who pay for AP on a weekly or monthly basis, there would be no Last Chaos. And if they allow their secretiveness with the players and pacifism with the developers to continue, then it's only a matter of time before the ship sinks.

Reformation

Change needs to start with the GM's. Until the Game Masters start being more open with the community with regard to the coming updates, as well as their efforts to resolve outstanding code issues, they will be failing to do their job properly. I would like to remind them that they are not Office Masters, they are Game Masters. They need to start making more time to get in the game and talk with players about what's really going on.

Also, they need to listen up when the community brings out new ideas for gameplay or points out bugs and glitches that need to be fixed. Then, once these things have been brought to their attention, they need to work swiftly to go through the proper channels in order to get these problems fixed. And in the interim, they need to openly communicate with the players so that we all know exactly how hard they're working.
Doing it any other way simply isn't good enough from my perspective.

Granted, not every player is going to have useful suggestions for the game.
But when there are players who have a valid complaint or concern, their voices should be heard. And once the GM's have the information, then they need to use it.

If Aeria can start putting as much energy into taking suggestions and putting them to use as they put into Tiered Events and AP sales, then the game will start being the way it should be.


I'd like to hear from the rest of the community and see what your thoughts are on this.  


This is the perfect time to write all this in the survey they asked people to fill out.
Survey

Also remember all they can do is send reports about certain bugs. I would have disagreed with you on the GM's are being inactive. I think the GM's are doing a great job keeping up with the community. They have been more active than ever. On forums and in-game. Don't forget they have been buffing everyone on the server recently. I think that is fair of being active. They are starting to do weekly forum events. They do come on server and talk to players and spawn monsters here and there.

I believe the reason they haven't come out with any big patches they have been really good on not having to many bugs in the game as they did before. Before we always get a patch and something was broken or something was glitcing. Now we are getting small patches here and there. I believe they are working smart before releasing something they are trying to avoid as many bugs. This game has come from a long way.

Remember fixing game bugs and item mall are two different things. One of those they can control and the others Devs is something they can't. All they can do once again is send them a list of bugs and they will fix it whenever they get to it.

If you have a list of bugs, i suggest you send it in the bug list that is provided for players to use and submit bugs. If it is something that is in need of quick attention I send a RT about so the GM's are aware of it.

PHDInPVM

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PostedMay 13, 2013 11:26 am

Re: It's Time For A Change

Regular Updates and Bug Fixes
mattywashere wrote:
I think the GM's are doing a great job keeping up with the community. They have been more active than ever. On forums and in-game. Don't forget they have been buffing everyone on the server recently. They do come on server and talk to players and spawn monsters here and there.  




Thanks for the survey link.

Are you sure we're playing the same game?
First of all, they have not fixed a lot of the bugs and glitches. The patch notes prove that.
Furthermore, the examples I listed are bugs that have existed for over a year.
Anyone with a job knows that if you can't fix a problem within a reasonable amount of time you get fired. I know that they only get lists and send them to the developers, but it doesn't mean that they can't be more open with the community.

Do you really call buffing the server and spawning monsters getting involved in the in-game community? No way dude. It took them literally 6 years just to do that. Maybe it's come a long way from where it was 6 years ago, but I'm talking about regular updates and improvements, not piecemeal. Plus, there's not even a "they". It's Medic. And he/she rarely says anything in general chat unless it's addressing one of the players she happens to like. The rest can go jump in a lake as far as they're concerned.
And like I said, we pay their salary. It is literally their job to give the players a better game.

Maybe they don't have as much control over fixing bugs as they do AP, but we both know that the motivation is the money.

Although we disagree, thank you for stating your opinion and I'll definitely check out that survey link.

ApexPredator20

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PostedMay 13, 2013 11:36 am
@matty true they had been more active but suddenly past 2 weeks or so gms barely been in game, this is how lc gms r i gues be active for a month or two then dissapear. I hevent seen [GM]Medic in quite awhile, and the new GM barely see him on anymore in game that is, idc bout shoutbox.

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PostedMay 13, 2013 12:28 pm
Lol @ 2 weeks gone and that means GMs have left us. Ever heard of vacation/time off work?

@ OP - Aeria can't fix bugs. You don't do programming, neither does Aeria. They can definitely be more aggressive about bug fixes, but ultimately the developers choose what they're gonna fix and when. You have been here long enough to know that. Obviously the devs don't have the bugs you mentioned as a priority.

Item mall is controlled by Aeria, of course they can change it at will. They can't control the developers, never have been able to. Most publishers are in the same boat. Developers will always have the majority of control of their games.

I agree that there are some changes to be made but point your finger in the right direction. Most of the things you're talking about fall under the PM not the GMs.

I just keep reporting. Hopefully the PM and developers will take the information we give them and be aggressive with it.

As far as suggestions, that's all they are... suggestions. They can choose to implement them or not; they are not obligated to, particularly if it doesn't fit with whatever plans there are in place.

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PostedMay 13, 2013 1:16 pm
faely wrote:
Lol @ 2 weeks gone and that means GMs have left us. Ever heard of vacation/time off work?

@ OP - Aeria can't fix bugs. You don't do programming, neither does Aeria. They can definitely be more aggressive about bug fixes, but ultimately the developers choose what they're gonna fix and when. You have been here long enough to know that. Obviously the devs don't have the bugs you mentioned as a priority.

Item mall is controlled by Aeria, of course they can change it at will. They can't control the developers, never have been able to. Most publishers are in the same boat. Developers will always have the majority of control of their games.

I agree that there are some changes to be made but point your finger in the right direction. Most of the things you're talking about fall under the PM not the GMs.

I just keep reporting. Hopefully the PM and developers will take the information we give them and be aggressive with it.

As far as suggestions, that's all they are... suggestions. They can choose to implement them or not; they are not obligated to, particularly if it doesn't fit with whatever plans there are in place.  





I am pointing my finger in the right direction.
Right now I'm on Aeriagames.com. I play Last Chaos, which is brought to us by Aeria Games. So guess what? When there's a bug or a glitch, or I have a problem with the way the game runs, I'm going to blame the people who put their name on the game.
Why? Because that's logical. It's not like the developers contacted Aeria and said "Hey guys, we have this game called Last Chaos and we'll just give it to you for free so you can make money off of it".

If all you want to do is report and hope that something happens, then by all means.
But I'm not going to waste my time doing what you and many others have been doing for the past 6 years. I'm going to stick it to the people responsible.

Aeria put their name behind all of this and created suggestion forums and all of that specifically so that the players can bring this kind of stuff to their attention.
I'm not even saying that programming is done in their offices, so please don't misconstrue my point.
My overall point is that Aeria is responsible for what happens in the game. Period.
You have been here long enough to know that.

mattywashere

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PostedMay 13, 2013 1:40 pm
PHDInPVM wrote:
faely wrote:
Lol @ 2 weeks gone and that means GMs have left us. Ever heard of vacation/time off work?

@ OP - Aeria can't fix bugs. You don't do programming, neither does Aeria. They can definitely be more aggressive about bug fixes, but ultimately the developers choose what they're gonna fix and when. You have been here long enough to know that. Obviously the devs don't have the bugs you mentioned as a priority.

Item mall is controlled by Aeria, of course they can change it at will. They can't control the developers, never have been able to. Most publishers are in the same boat. Developers will always have the majority of control of their games.

I agree that there are some changes to be made but point your finger in the right direction. Most of the things you're talking about fall under the PM not the GMs.

I just keep reporting. Hopefully the PM and developers will take the information we give them and be aggressive with it.

As far as suggestions, that's all they are... suggestions. They can choose to implement them or not; they are not obligated to, particularly if it doesn't fit with whatever plans there are in place.  





I am pointing my finger in the right direction.
Right now I'm on Aeriagames.com. I play Last Chaos, which is brought to us by Aeria Games. So guess what? When there's a bug or a glitch, or I have a problem with the way the game runs, I'm going to blame the people who put their name on the game.
Why? Because that's logical. It's not like the developers contacted Aeria and said "Hey guys, we have this game called Last Chaos and we'll just give it to you for free so you can make money off of it".

If all you want to do is report and hope that something happens, then by all means.
But I'm not going to waste my time doing what you and many others have been doing for the past 6 years. I'm going to stick it to the people responsible.

Aeria put their name behind all of this and created suggestion forums and all of that specifically so that the players can bring this kind of stuff to their attention.
I'm not even saying that programming is done in their offices, so please don't misconstrue my point.
My overall point is that Aeria is responsible for what happens in the game. Period.
You have been here long enough to know that.  


Aeria isn't responsible for making the game all they do is host it and sell the AP items. Can't point fingers at them. Like if you work at a grocery store and you sell bread and the customer says the bread taste bad. You can't do anything because all you do is buy the product and sell it. Everyone can't be satisfied. All you can do is send a report on customer’s service. Why I gave you the surveys and ask you to do the survey. Survey is a way for companies to work on their CRM * Customer Relation Management * More people answer in the survey they will know what players wants and needs. Supply and demand.

Yes, we are customers and we get upset when things don't go right. The best way to resolve this is follow the steps of doing it right.

Do the bug report and send it.
Send a RT if the issue is really needs to be looked at.
Do the surveys letting Aeria know what they need to improve on.

Anything that is game context a GM can't touch.

When it comes to a business is the motivation is money and customers? Without customers how can a company run? There is a reason why customers come here and playing. They must be doing something right.

Yes, I do agree some things need to be fixed. Only way to get that solved is sending a RT and providing as much feedback as possible.

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PostedMay 13, 2013 2:33 pm
@feyla lol i never said they left us smartypants. All i sai was that for bout 2 weeks there has been a major lack of GM activity in game.

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PostedMay 13, 2013 2:55 pm
If you were to say that customer service from Aeria is questionable at best I'd agree with you. But sadly, they aren't allowed to change the game in any way. They just publish it, the developer is Barunson(?) and well, lets face it, they don't seem to be the most dedicated bunch.

Aggression is just how I show I care. AGGRESSIVE 17x Sin

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PostedMay 13, 2013 4:27 pm
When you buy bread that is bad. Normally the store will replace it. Some companies like to make sure that ALL of their consumers are satisfied.


I don't like how everyone comes here and blames the Devs, yes its their fault, but it is also up to Aeria to stay on them and push for the fixes. If they are doing that and the Devs are refusing to fix these bugs, some of which have been around 5+ years. Its up to the GMs to relay that to their customers. With a logical reason why the Devs are refusing.

Not a general "not our fault, that's up to the Devs."


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