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itsmonumental

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:22 pm
Funniest part was when
DirtyBugger added zet0r to their ESL team 1minute b4 our match against them started
[team Pose vs NarkotiC]

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iDeta

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:33 pm
WTFake wrote:
They would win their 1st round opponent anyway...

Edit: They have earned their seed anyway by doing good before.  


Incorrect, they weren't round skipped, that means they would possibly vs themselves earlier... It's pretty bogus how they get skipped up.

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:44 pm   Last edited by juntunen.tapio on Mar 30, 2013 2:48 pm. Edited 1 time in total
iDeta wrote:
WTFake wrote:
They would win their 1st round opponent anyway...

Edit: They have earned their seed anyway by doing good before.  


Incorrect, they weren't round skipped, that means they would possibly vs themselves earlier... It's pretty bogus how they get skipped up.  


LOL. It's not bogus at all. You are just ignorant on how professional sports / e-sports set up their tournaments / brackets.

The only way the top teams could possible play against each other is if there was no seeding at all. But like ALL other tournaments and sports, we seed the teams based on earlier results.

So this is not something the ESL made up or invented to benefit the best teams. It's a universal system.

Let's take tennis for example. The best players play tournaments and they accumulate points. In the future tournaments they get seeded in the bracket according to their points total. Same goes for hockey: they play the regular season, and then seed the teams according to that. When you look at tournaments from big titles like CS:GO, again the same thing the teams get seeded based on their prior results / qualifier placement.

So.. we're just sticking with the standard system. I understand some n00bs are mad because the top teams don't face each other in the first round, but it's the same system for every team. If you suck and keep going out in the first round in every tournament, you only have yourself to blame.

.DontCaeria.

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:47 pm
juntunen.tapio wrote:
iDeta wrote:
WTFake wrote:
They would win their 1st round opponent anyway...

Edit: They have earned their seed anyway by doing good before.  


Incorrect, they weren't round skipped, that means they would possibly vs themselves earlier... It's pretty bogus how they get skipped up.  


LOL. It's not bogus at all. You are just ignorant on how professional sports / e-sports set up their tournaments / brackets.

The only way the top teams could possible play against each other is if there was no seeding at all. But like ALL other tournaments and sports, we seed the teams based on earlier results.

So this is not something the ESL made up or invented to benefit the best teams. Let's take tennis for example. The best players play tournaments and they accumulate points. In the future tournaments they get seeded in the bracket according to their points total. Same goes for hockey: they play the regular season, and then seed the teams according to that.  


How is that even a popular method of running tournaments? Who cares if they did well before, they should have no problem doing well again and winning matches.

It sounds to me like "pro" teams just don't want to risk losing earlier in the game.

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:47 pm
itsmonumental wrote:
Funniest part was when
DirtyBugger added zet0r to their ESL team 1minute b4 our match against them started
[team Pose vs NarkotiC]  


LOOL

enmu12

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:49 pm
U get rewarded for winning, nothing wrong with that?

juntunen.tapio

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:49 pm   Last edited by juntunen.tapio on Mar 30, 2013 2:50 pm. Edited 1 time in total
.DontCaeria. wrote:
juntunen.tapio wrote:
iDeta wrote:
WTFake wrote:
They would win their 1st round opponent anyway...

Edit: They have earned their seed anyway by doing good before.  


Incorrect, they weren't round skipped, that means they would possibly vs themselves earlier... It's pretty bogus how they get skipped up.  


LOL. It's not bogus at all. You are just ignorant on how professional sports / e-sports set up their tournaments / brackets.

The only way the top teams could possible play against each other is if there was no seeding at all. But like ALL other tournaments and sports, we seed the teams based on earlier results.

So this is not something the ESL made up or invented to benefit the best teams. Let's take tennis for example. The best players play tournaments and they accumulate points. In the future tournaments they get seeded in the bracket according to their points total. Same goes for hockey: they play the regular season, and then seed the teams according to that.  


How is that even a popular method of running tournaments? Who cares if they did well before, they should have no problem doing well again and winning matches.

It sounds to me like "pro" teams just don't want to risk losing earlier in the game.  


That's how it works in every professional e-sports league and we ain't gonna change the standard system just because nubs and forumstars are mad about it Smile

juntunen.tapio

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:50 pm
itsmonumental wrote:
Funniest part was when
DirtyBugger added zet0r to their ESL team 1minute b4 our match against them started
[team Pose vs NarkotiC]  


You can add players to the roster all tournament long, provided they did not play for any other team earlier in the tournament. It's always been that way, nothing sketchy about this situation.

spacefire11

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:50 pm
juntunen.tapio wrote:
just because nubs and forumstars are mad about it Smile  
lol wut.... u serious?

.DontCaeria.

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PostedMar 30, 2013 2:51 pm
juntunen.tapio wrote:
.DontCaeria. wrote:
juntunen.tapio wrote:
iDeta wrote:
WTFake wrote:
They would win their 1st round opponent anyway...

Edit: They have earned their seed anyway by doing good before.  


Incorrect, they weren't round skipped, that means they would possibly vs themselves earlier... It's pretty bogus how they get skipped up.  


LOL. It's not bogus at all. You are just ignorant on how professional sports / e-sports set up their tournaments / brackets.

The only way the top teams could possible play against each other is if there was no seeding at all. But like ALL other tournaments and sports, we seed the teams based on earlier results.

So this is not something the ESL made up or invented to benefit the best teams. Let's take tennis for example. The best players play tournaments and they accumulate points. In the future tournaments they get seeded in the bracket according to their points total. Same goes for hockey: they play the regular season, and then seed the teams according to that.  


How is that even a popular method of running tournaments? Who cares if they did well before, they should have no problem doing well again and winning matches.

It sounds to me like "pro" teams just don't want to risk losing earlier in the game.  


That's how it works in every professional team sport / e-sports and we ain't gonna change the standard system just because nubs and forumstars are mad about it Smile  


It's funny how quickly people take offense to things. I never said you had to change things, I said it sounds like you cater to the "pro" teams so they'll play in your tournaments more.

If you want me to start making generalizations like you are I'll gladly oblige.

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