Ironwood.Oak wrote:

MITSUNARI44 wrote: evan713 wrote: Ungeared people can't compete and that makes them a liability simple as that.   Well when the "Undergeared" people leave then u can enjoy the "Geared" Mobs .. Sound Fun Edit : i don't play Canta, but an Attitude like that .. Pissed me off   +1

Tell me why should someone who can't contribute to their faction's cause be given a free pass to get something unearned?
I have no attitude, I myself struggle to keep up with all the new things needed to compete. Yet I understand that someone who's not an asset is a liability.  

LordKotaro1011 wrote:

Maybe sell your gear and try fury? My friend has got 10k kills over the last couple of weeks when he leveled a Hunter for canta.

But thats the point im trying to make. People who WANT TO TRY the zone arent getting that chance. even with the raid only half full people arent being allowed in. its pathetic. its a game play fair so what if they are nub and may not be able to murder as fast as you guys, let them join and try it out.  

Ironwood.Oak wrote:

MITSUNARI44 wrote: evan713 wrote: Ungeared people can't compete and that makes them a liability simple as that.   Well when the "Undergeared" people leave then u can enjoy the "Geared" Mobs .. Sound Fun Edit : i don't play Canta, but an Attitude like that .. Pissed me off   +1

Tell me why should someone who can't contribute to their faction's cause be given a free pass to get something unearned? I am sure that you understand that, so stop they hypocrims and BS and be honest to yourselves(as Arthur said) will you add anything of benefit to the raid? If not, and you really want to pvp in canta, then find out what do you need, and work on it. Many of the players in canta, are players who've been in the game years(worked on their gears for years and are not close to maxed) and earned their spot in raid. If you are not willing to put in some work, and give up that is your choice, no one said you were not welcomed, just that you had to be of help to your faction(and im sure you understand, nothing is really free).

I have no attitude, I myself struggle to keep up with all the new things needed to compete. Yet I understand that someone who's not an asset is a liability.  

@ the Fury trying to seduce her: I think it's cute, but she hasn't hinted in the thread she's interested. But what do I know ^^.  

Find people like you, who get descriminated against by the power players, and make a THIRD raid. Act independant of their authority, pvp, have fun, and nurture a positive and accepting culture in your raid. If you do this enough, Fun loving players will be attracted to you, rather than the uber raid, and YOUR raid will become the raid that people prefer to be in.  

Rekikyo wrote:

Find people like you, who get descriminated against by the power players, and make a THIRD raid. Act independant of their authority, pvp, have fun, and nurture a positive and accepting culture in your raid. If you do this enough, Fun loving players will be attracted to you, rather than the uber raid, and YOUR raid will become the raid that people prefer to be in.

No its not discrimination, its a choice that needs to be made, everyone wants in, but there is only so much space, you call them power players? they are simply the most experienced, they are the ones the rest of the pvpers chose to make the right choice to keep pvp going, that is why they lead, its not anything against a new pvper but with goddess gone, 70 being torn to shreds and 1-15 a nosser paradise, there is 1 place left to go and even though i don't play anymore i still keep up to date in the pvp forums and it is manic in 20-30 trying to place people. Making a 3rd raid is all well and good but you get people that want to pvp hardcore but can't get into the main raids, (and i was on that end as well so i understand the feeling), that see the futility of going against the opposition with pretty much no support, hence why they try and split the power players now. In this particular case it was either kick from the raid or let a 'new pvper' see canta at its worst, getting torn to bits in 1-15 gear because you are facing people who have what you have x10.

Everyone wants to have fun and have good pvp, but when you are restricted by the game mechanics someone somewhere needs to put their foot down and say 'this is the line'.

You call it discrimination, its not, its necessity. If the raid leaders don't do something then everything crumbles. So they do what their experiences tell them is best for pvp. It's all they can do. There is only so much space and right now everyone wants in, they are the 'leader' because they have shown time and time again they can organize pvp, if they couldn't nobody would join their raids, its something you need to accept, it applies to pretty much every pvp zone.

Another time before canta was quite this popular i would have agreed with making another raid to pvp for those very reasons, but the sheer mass of people, the power of pvp and the disastrous decisions Aeria has made in recent months means it just would not work. The 3rd raid would be completely annihilated.

The raid leaders can seem heartless but i used to be one, and its not easy co-ordinating pvp, while answering pms from everyone that wants in the raid, needing to tell each one individually there is no room, making the necessarily choices doesn't mean they are singling you out, it just means they need to do what they need to do.  

Killa_1112 wrote:

Rekikyo wrote: Find people like you, who get descriminated against by the power players, and make a THIRD raid. Act independant of their authority, pvp, have fun, and nurture a positive and accepting culture in your raid. If you do this enough, Fun loving players will be attracted to you, rather than the uber raid, and YOUR raid will become the raid that people prefer to be in.   No its not discrimination, its a choice that needs to be made, everyone wants in, but there is only so much space, you call them power players? they are simply the most experienced, they are the ones the rest of the pvpers chose to make the right choice to keep pvp going, that is why they lead, its not anything against a new pvper but with goddess gone, 70 being torn to shreds and 1-15 a nosser paradise, there is 1 place left to go and even though i don't play anymore i still keep up to date in the pvp forums and it is manic in 20-30 trying to place people. Making a 3rd raid is all well and good but you get people that want to pvp hardcore but can't get into the main raids, (and i was on that end as well so i understand the feeling), that see the futility of going against the opposition with pretty much no support, hence why they try and split the power players now. In this particular case it was either kick from the raid or let a 'new pvper' see canta at its worst, getting torn to bits in 1-15 gear because you are facing people who have what you have x10. Everyone wants to have fun and have good pvp, but when you are restricted by the game mechanics someone somewhere needs to put their foot down and say 'this is the line'. You call it discrimination, its not, its necessity. If the raid leaders don't do something then everything crumbles. So they do what their experiences tell them is best for pvp. It's all they can do. There is only so much space and right now everyone wants in, they are the 'leader' because they have shown time and time again they can organize pvp, if they couldn't nobody would join their raids, its something you need to accept, it applies to pretty much every pvp zone. Another time before canta was quite this popular i would have agreed with making another raid to pvp for those very reasons, but the sheer mass of people, the power of pvp and the disastrous decisions Aeria has made in recent months means it just would not work. The 3rd raid would be completely annihilated. The raid leaders can seem heartless but i used to be one, and its not easy co-ordinating pvp, while answering pms from everyone that wants in the raid, needing to tell each one individually there is no room, making the necessarily choices doesn't mean they are singling you out, it just means they need to do what they need to do.

I can not speak for anybody else of course but I would rather be annihilated than stand on the side lines, and have made that decision before when the rest my raid decided to act like cowards and sit in base, I went out and got kills, but because I was only getting 1:1 I got booted from the raid. 90% of the raids I have been in were exactly the same, canta on a slow day being the exception (there were maybe 10 others there and we were being slaughtered, but having fun without uber noobers telling us to hold back).