maxhatz wrote:

Graut wrote: [list] [*]Scrolls - why bad? You can solo stuff easier. Wait what? Well, in PvE it further removes the need for party play, especially when considering that the actual skills themselves are useless on bosses. In PvP it's just unbalanced, wrong, stupid and other descriptive words. Actually it's all of those words in PvE as well. Party play > scrolls. [*]Removing/replacing - why good? It would be one step closer to improving PvP as well PvE party play. It also balances the game, because strong classes given strong crowd control is just wrong, hence why wizard didn't have Stone in the first place, etc etc.   I get so bored of hearing the party play crap. Party play was dead way before these scrolls came into game. Not many of the lower-mid lvls has the affinity needed to even buy these scrolls yet anyway. There are still players that party hunt, but when it comes to LVLing and SPing the game isn't designed to make doing this in a party effective. yes you can combat but you dont want 6 people hitting at your mob when your trying to lvl. Removing these scrolls will not increase any party play, Only changing the way exp from mobs is given to party's will help promote this.

I agree it wont bring back party play, but still better than being able to solo everything on your own, everything in this game get handed down so easily now. Why not make it a bit tougher.

Graut is right about improving pvp with-out the scrolls. There's so many dam cures in this game even if they make 1 for sleep. Am not saying getting rid of it since we worked so hard for it, just disable them in pvp would bring some-what fun back to pvp.

IstKnight wrote:

that's a separate issue. We're dealing with buncha people that runs around invisible putting everyone to sleep, there's no telling who did it.

Althoough this may be true for those who get whacked by someone running around invis, the bottom line is the logs don't lie... Don't just 'let it slide' and not RT it if you're victimized, step up. If it's on record, someone is tasked with checking the logs. 'Not bothering' to RT is as good as turning a blind eye, people, so be part of the solution- Without penalizing those who worked for their affinities and don't cheat.

CJcarbon1 wrote:

IstKnight wrote: that's a separate issue. We're dealing with buncha people that runs around invisible putting everyone to sleep, there's no telling who did it.   Althoough this may be true for those who get whacked by someone running around invis, the bottom line is the logs don't lie... Don't just 'let it slide' and not RT it if you're victimized, step up. If it's on record, someone is tasked with checking the logs. 'Not bothering' to RT is as good as turning a blind eye, people, so be part of the solution- Without penalizing those who worked for their affinities and don't cheat.

I don't think its a matter of people not "stepping up". It is more like people get tired of reporting abusers and nothing is ever done about it. And not just about the use of scrolls. Legitimate complaints about anything are answered with a automated response, never a real answer, or any real action taken. So naturally people get to the point of saying eff it.

On the main topic. They should be disabled in PvP.

Removing them altogether from the game would be a VERY bad idea. Apart from the fact that I'm sure that everybody who posted in this thread did open Keron already there are many, many players who invested a lot of their ingame time/gold/money on doing MCs or buying magic mins. By taking away the whole affinity system you'd hurt them all just because some people can't play without them during siege (don't get me wrong, invis rogues+silence scroll = bad idea). Therefore, I fully support the suggestions of them being removed from any PVP context. Shouldn't be too hard eh? Whenever you flagged up/are on self defence/are on siege grounds ...Keron Scrolls will be unable for usage. But who am I to say it's easy, I'm not a dev.

I will pass this thread to the big guys for them to review, okay?

That would be realy nice Secrecy.

Iam one of the Players who didnt open the affinity shop. Nobody should be able to use sleep/stone/silence every 5 seconds, only the classes who have the skill. Also in PVE this scrolls are to powerfull. With my NS and with my Rogue i can kill EVERY Monster in game without that scrolls... also without ninjapowder. I think alot players just want to do it realy easy. But iam also fine if they just remove them from PVP.

I hope GM'S see, that we dont want that scrolls in PvP.

Go kill ramslo without scroll/ninja/igni and post the video please, dont forget to show the + of your armor in same time

I killed both norgs without scrolls. There is a video somewhere on my channel...

djodjo57 wrote:

Go kill ramslo without scroll/ninja/igni and post the video please, dont forget to show the + of your armor in same time

Armor doesn't help much with skill damage (I have full +28 armor and I'm a 1hit for ramslo if he really wants to kill me lol).

maxhatz wrote:

I get so bored of hearing the party play crap. Party play was dead way before these scrolls came into game.

I'm well aware of that and I never said removing scrolls would magically turn everything
back to how it was in 2007, BUT, like I also said, it would be one step towards doing so.
Immobilizing, actual skills won't hit at all, while scrolls do, so who are you gonna bring..
When this is fixed you can look at other stuff to further improve party play and gameplay
in general.

Secrecy wrote:

Apart from the fact that I'm sure that everybody who posted in this thread did open Keron already there are many, many players who invested a lot of their ingame time/gold/money on doing MCs or buying magic mins.

Like I said, instead of just removing the scrolls, replace them with something less destructive
for the game, that is also worth unlocking the shop for. If the scrolls are bad for gameplay, then
you have to make some people upset to change that. If the replacement item is good enough
then they should be able to get over the fact that they have to play with other people again.
Shop worth unlocking and scrolls gone. Double score?

djodjo57 wrote:

Go kill ramslo without scroll/ninja/igni and post the video please, dont forget to show the + of your armor in same time

"But if you change this, you can't do this anymore, wah wah" - well, hey, who said you can only
change one thing. Change SEVERAL things. Like I said, tweak gameplay accordingly. If you can't
kill without scrolls then make skills work on bosses again. Spam of stuns on bosses would make
them not able to fight back, and have it be no challenge (like you can do with scrolls already, so
I'm not sure how that change was for the better), so make the bosses able to break out of stuns
and be immune for a few seconds, when enraged or whatever. This way, scrolls are gone, you need
other people, bosses can fight back enough to make it a challenge, but skills are also able to land
at times to save your lives.

If it's bad for the game, change it. If the change makes you unable to do something, do other changes
as well. Your thought process doesn't have to stop at the first step, be like "I don't like this idea" and
then have it stay as is.

I agree for them to be tweeked that they don affect players in pvp but dissagree with those that say remove from pve also. Remember guys not everyone buys ap and got +28 gear like most of u here. And dudes forget bout party play this game went solo with the introduction of eva +15 upgrade cap and xpbs. Just sayin no point in party play now, u want party play got it from 140-160s. Bit of topic but oh well.