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Inarcadian

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 11:54 am
XiaoJyun wrote:
eliminating the chance to play against even medium-level team such as mentor/metro etc. is just lame
 


That's harsh lol. And about MED: it was the last time that MED used the UAC3.

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XiaoJyun

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 12:00 pm
Inarcadian wrote:
XiaoJyun wrote:
eliminating the chance to play against even medium-level team such as mentor/metro etc. is just lame
 


That's harsh lol. And about MED: it was the last time that MED used the UAC3.  


Its not harsh, even with my current team, it would prolly be around 50-50 chance against them, against lesser teams I am certain we d win as long as we kept our stuff together

but seriously going against Noir and that time going 4v5 (1 of ours had issues), that was meh

nonetheless when we played old school, it wouldve been amazing, if AC didnt bump our ping from 30-60 to 140+

to make things worse, when we , we were doing great in losers bracket (ezpz TBH) and they then cancelled losers bracket cause they had issues with brackats (AKA their system fked up)
very lame end to it

I do like ESL, wire has nearly no effect on my systems performance and its not that hard to contact admins, things seem to go fluid too. Just IMO that seeding system sux, but I can understand why its used....

Why do Zombies want your Brains? Because you do not use them anyway!

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 12:05 pm
XiaoJyun wrote:


everybody needs tournament experiencce before beating top teams, hard to get any experience when you get wrecked by the top team in 1st round, due toyour seeding thingy

 


I don't understand you at all. If you will meet the "top" team in 1st round and get "wreck" you still have a lot of matches in Looser Bracket, where you will meet the teams that "got wreck" also.

Our seeding is good, and working for a long time. We are seeding TOP 4 Teams from last tournament. If you have better idea navigate over ESL forum and leave your feedback.

XiaoJyun wrote:

it only makes it better for you guys since it makes sure the top teams advance every single stage, not better for players

and how was that anything new? these teams consisted of players from top teams, nothing really changed, thing is as a newly made team, we got dropped in 1st round already, and there was no losers bracket...

I dunno, but the 1st experience was not nice, and if next time i get matched with caprice/crackheads/blast in 1st round, how do you think that feels from a perspective of a player who wants to play competatively? eliminating the chance to play against even medium-level team such as mentor/metro etc. is just lame

All I am saying is its not a good way to introduce competative play to new teams that want to go competative by always stacking them towards one of the top teams, every single time (due to the seeding system)
 


I was always thinking that you get good by playing vs best teams :S



XiaoJyun wrote:

oh BTW, I am hoping you introduce some sort of old school cup, since the other ˝organization˝ seems to be handled very unproffesionally with poor support, poor tourney execution and horrendously bad anticheat  


We wanted host Winter Cup as Old School, but since idea was picked by MeD before we publish the stuff, we made it to Escort.

Anyway please stop now with this Seeding and loosing in 1st rounds discussion. If you have feedback, navigate over ESL AVA forums and tell us about it. Please keep this topic only for the tournament discussion.

Thanks!

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 12:51 pm
WoIfff wrote:
XiaoJyun wrote:


everybody needs tournament experiencce before beating top teams, hard to get any experience when you get wrecked by the top team in 1st round, due toyour seeding thingy

 


I don't understand you at all. If you will meet the "top" team in 1st round and get "wreck" you still have a lot of matches in Looser Bracket, where you will meet the teams that "got wreck" also.

Our seeding is good, and working for a long time. We are seeding TOP 4 Teams from last tournament. If you have better idea navigate over ESL forum and leave your feedback.

XiaoJyun wrote:

it only makes it better for you guys since it makes sure the top teams advance every single stage, not better for players

and how was that anything new? these teams consisted of players from top teams, nothing really changed, thing is as a newly made team, we got dropped in 1st round already, and there was no losers bracket...

I dunno, but the 1st experience was not nice, and if next time i get matched with caprice/crackheads/blast in 1st round, how do you think that feels from a perspective of a player who wants to play competatively? eliminating the chance to play against even medium-level team such as mentor/metro etc. is just lame

All I am saying is its not a good way to introduce competative play to new teams that want to go competative by always stacking them towards one of the top teams, every single time (due to the seeding system)
 


I was always thinking that you get good by playing vs best teams :S



XiaoJyun wrote:

oh BTW, I am hoping you introduce some sort of old school cup, since the other ˝organization˝ seems to be handled very unproffesionally with poor support, poor tourney execution and horrendously bad anticheat  


We wanted host Winter Cup as Old School, but since idea was picked by MeD before we publish the stuff, we made it to Escort.

Anyway please stop now with this Seeding and loosing in 1st rounds discussion. If you have feedback, navigate over ESL AVA forums and tell us about it. Please keep this topic only for the tournament discussion.

Thanks!  


When there is loosers bracket thats fine.....in the tourney I joined (the escort one) it was single elimination, thats all

I dont have much problem with seeding when theres double elimination, or was seeding not even in play that time, and we just got unlucky to play Noir?

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 1:20 pm
Our Monthly demo cups are allways double elim Smile
Sometimes we need to make an exception , but that doesnt happen to often.

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 1:27 pm
Inarcadian wrote:

@urban/Surreal2: It was MyRevenge Int., not GER Wink

Anyway, beating a team in the trainings phase does mean squat. It was quite unfortunate that the Losers Bracket got cancelled, but honestly, what do you expect if 80% of the participating teams don't know how to set up the AC, report the score of a game etc.
With your mind set (I will not participate because I got beat early and had no chance), you won't get far anyway. If you're not willing to lose and learn, you will get nowhere.

Lastly (sorry but it had to be said): You're complaining about "camping" while all you did in the MED tourney was camp your base for 8 rounds, for 2min?! Irony? I don't mean to you down, but isn't it ironic?  


I was so disappointed about the UAC, it wasnt able to send me the E-mail after 16 hours... still didnt got it. So I didn't played Smile The team there was without me, but just some randies who were not taking it too serious (xXschoXx wasn't warmed up (first game of the last three days he said), i heard them over TS and cried.)
I really have to say that you're right, but we shouldn't talk too much about MED, they said all 6 seconds theyre game amlost freezed bcs of the AC...
And I still want to play Competitive, but I love my clan and they just say that they dont want, we will lose, we suck... I'm not really searching a normal Team where I can really use my potential in gamesense and tactic (in cw's, they yell OMFG ALL 1 ROTATE URBAN OR I REPOTR yu) and i start rotate and the shiftwalking flanker gets me, it isn't my whole fault! With a fail team, I will fail too (I dont even take Iyan armor, noreg, Lagg and stuff, im not that a kid).

Other stuff is surely that a lot of Clans... OMG clan scene is just going down! I can't even really practice against guys in full Iyan, TPG Epko, DM and Black Bear Para, lagging BR's and stuff, but they say: "Don't play cw if you lose, we care about score cause everyone can see it (HUEHUEHUE), we lose 1 CW OH MY GAWD I DONT WANT ANYMORE YOU SUCK ALL SUCK BLEAH BLEAH BLEAH ... How can we beat teams like taht? How can we be good?

Inbetween, your kinda right dude. But I am willing to learn and i AM willing to lose, but I need someone to do it with me...
And it would just be nice because I think in that point
urbanava wrote:
In my opinion someone should start a tournament for new, never in competitve Scene appeared players and/or teams, or for teams who lost some tournaments in first or second round. There you can play and train against teams who are as skilled as you, and thats the real Training who makes you stronger.  

I'm right and that would help to get more good, competitive teams into the scene and not playing useless clanvspub or doing capshop trolling ALL THE TIME?!?

enmu12

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 1:59 pm
@Xai

So you think teams are good cuz they play longer in tournament, cuz of their "tournaments experience"

Most top teams scrim alot together, and train with their communication and by that they go further in the tournaments.

And if someone comes here and says; "But we train and practise by playing in matchchannel all the time", is not worthy of getting replied to.

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 2:02 pm
match channel grennies xD

XiaoJyun

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 2:07 pm
enmu12 wrote:
@Xai

So you think teams are good cuz they play longer in tournament, cuz of their "tournaments experience"

Most top teams scrim alot together, and train with their communication and by that they go further in the tournaments.

And if someone comes here and says; "But we train and practise by playing in matchchannel all the time", is not worthy of getting replied to.  


Practice your reading compehension skills, please

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PostedFeb 05, 2013 2:13 pm
XiaoJyun wrote:
enmu12 wrote:
@Xai

So you think teams are good cuz they play longer in tournament, cuz of their "tournaments experience"

Most top teams scrim alot together, and train with their communication and by that they go further in the tournaments.

And if someone comes here and says; "But we train and practise by playing in matchchannel all the time", is not worthy of getting replied to.  


Practice your reading compehension skills, please  




 
everybody needs tournament experiencce before beating top teams, hard to get any experience when you get wrecked by the top team in 1st round, due toyour seeding thingy  


Nope. u dont need tournament experience, try scrimming more with team, and practising together.

You dont play tournaments to train.

 
you are just making it easier for the best teams to get to the laate stages and always get rewards  


they dont make it easier for us, we make it easier for ourselves by winning.

 
further on, you dont get any experience whatsoever from this since you only get to fight THE best team and of course get totaly wrecked (not much to learn from that)  


as I said, learning is made for scrims and such, so ure preparedwhen ure in tournament.
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