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bakachanx

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PostedDec 21, 2012 11:49 am

Cannons...

What exactly does a cannon add?

Does it add to your coverfire?
Is it worth it to put in a skill pirate to add cannons, or to put in a high attack character?

Does anybody know?
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RephinEX

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PostedDec 24, 2012 7:54 am
All I know is that Scurvy is the best thing EVER!

...when you're the one defending. :3

Logically, it would make sense if the Cannons added to your Cover Fire bonus, but then something like Scurvy suggests that it affects the actual attack power of the character attacking. Yesterday I was attacked by a maxed out Legionnaire (>10k ATK), and the defender was my maxed out Armored Xara (9312 DEF). I'm pretty sure this guy's Cover Fire bonus is over 4000 (his defense bonus is over 4000...), and my Cover Fire bonus is a mere 3000. On top of that, Xara is weak against the Legionnaire since Corsair > Gypsy. Yet, my Armored Xara won. In the Brawl Report, the Legionnaire was hit with DOUBLE Scurvy, so my only conclusion is that Cannons will affect the actual attack instead of the Cover Fire.



This is all speculation though. I think an Aeria representative should really clear this up, since there's nothing about Cannons in the Help menu.

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PostedDec 25, 2012 2:50 am
RephinEX wrote:
All I know is that Scurvy is the best thing EVER!

...when you're the one defending. :3

Logically, it would make sense if the Cannons added to your Cover Fire bonus, but then something like Scurvy suggests that it affects the actual attack power of the character attacking. Yesterday I was attacked by a maxed out Legionnaire (>10k ATK), and the defender was my maxed out Armored Xara (9312 DEF). I'm pretty sure this guy's Cover Fire bonus is over 4000 (his defense bonus is over 4000...), and my Cover Fire bonus is a mere 3000. On top of that, Xara is weak against the Legionnaire since Corsair > Gypsy. Yet, my Armored Xara won. In the Brawl Report, the Legionnaire was hit with DOUBLE Scurvy, so my only conclusion is that Cannons will affect the actual attack instead of the Cover Fire.



This is all speculation though. I think an Aeria representative should really clear this up, since there's nothing about Cannons in the Help menu.  


Oh wow that's neat o:
Sorry if I sound uneducated, but how can you tell which pirates beat/didn't beat your pirates in a brawl that you didn't start? o: Because I have never seen that screen that your screenshot showed ><

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PostedDec 25, 2012 4:45 am
From the brawl menu go to the bottom of the page to Defensive Record. From there you can see your record of brawls that was initiated by another player. Click on details on a specific player and then go to the bottom of that page to find the Brawl Report. There you can see what happened with each of your cards like in the above images.

Hope this helps! (^_^)

Brawl menu > Defensive Record > Details (on a player) > Brawl Report

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PostedDec 25, 2012 12:55 pm
I'm not sure if the evidence that you provide is conclusive of anything; cannons could still affect cover fire in a sense of it being a multiplier.

Your example pits Legionnaire Elsa, a Corsair with 10075 ATK versus Armored Xara, a Gypsy with 9312 DEF. Without Scurvy in play, you estimated:

10075 + ~4000 = 14075 ATK vs 9312 + 3000 = 12312 DEF

However, if Scurvy (-2 cannons per instance) meant a negative multiplier, and if we assumed each cannon instance to be a +50% bonus to cover fire, then the formula for it would look like:

Base Cover Fire * (1 + .5 * C), for C ≥ 0
Base Cover Fire / (1 + .5 * |C|), for C < 0
where C is your total number of cannons

Thus, Legionnaire Elsa's cover fire, under this supposed formula, would be 4000/(1 + .5 * |-4|) = 4000/3 = 1333, and her total attack becomes:

10075 + 1333 = 11408 vs 12312

And depending on how impactful the Corsair versus Gypsy match-up is, Armored Xara could still very well come out on top.

Additionally, on another thread Fiberion suggests that 1 cannon seems to add 100% of your cover fire. If this case is applied to your example, then Legionnaire Elsa's cover fire further dimishes to 800, making it even more likely that your Armored Xara should be victorious.

However, without more empirical data, nothing can be concluded about cannons thus far.

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PostedDec 25, 2012 4:48 pm
Thank you Yanzai! Very Happy I'm so blind sometimes OTL

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PostedDec 26, 2012 7:22 am
Oh, I never said anything was conclusive, Mia. It's my own personal conclusion about it affecting actual ATK, but I also mentioned at the end of the post that it's still speculation. If Cannons were equivalent to your Cover Fire, then I'd be a SUPER happy camper. :3

I'm going to run some test fights and find out for sure. FOR SCIENCE!

Stay tuned...

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PostedDec 26, 2012 11:28 am
First off, I'll introduce the members of the experiment's attack team.

Sorcery Librarian Chloe
Level 60 ATK 7700
Skill Wherry - All ATK+ 1 Cannon

Rogue Knight Ridley
Level 60 ATK 7581
Skill Sail - All ATK+ 1 Cannon

Andred the Victorious
Level 60 ATK 8081
Skill Rope's End - All ATK+ 1 Cannon

Pixie Archer
Level 30 ATK 1906
NO SKILL

Floral Pixie Merom
Level 10 ATK 418
NO SKILL

Total ATK 25686

Cover Fire Bonus +3277



Let's start with the first experimental fight.

Wherry Activate
Sail Activate
Rope's End Activate

1 Win Chloe beats Medusa
Ally Skill Sail

2 Win Ridley beats Amber

3 Win Andred beats Marlene
Ally Skill Wherry
Ally Skill Sail

4 Loss Siris beats Pixie Archer
Ally Skill Sail
Ally Skill Rope's End

5 Loss Marina beats Pixie Merom
Ally Skill Wherry

Total ATK 36062

Difference from initial ATK power is 10376
(For reference purposes, Cover Fire x 3 = 9831)

Second experiment coming soon. I'm going to change it to have only one Cannon skill activate. In the meantime, feel free to help crunch the numbers on this one, guys.

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PostedDec 26, 2012 11:51 am
Experiment #2 - Using One Cannon Skill

And here is the attack team for this fight:

Andred the Victorious
Level 60 ATK 8081
Skill Rope's End - All ATK+ 1 Cannon

Drifting Sorcerer Ebony
Level 60 ATK 9550
Skill Barbary Coast Lv3 - What the Hard is a Freya battle...? >.>

Cinta the Charmed
Level 45 ATK 4675
NO SKILL

High Witch Audrey
Level 45 ATK 5500
NO SKILL

Floral Pixie Merom
Level 10 ATK 418
NO SKILL

Total ATK 28224

Cover Fire Bonus +3288



Rope's End Activate

1 Win Andred beats Lorelei

2 Win Ebony beats Marlene
Ally Skill Rope's End (overkill much...?)

3 Win Cinta beats Amber
Ally Skill Rope's End

4 Win Audrey beats Siris

5 Loss Red Wind Gale beats Pixie Merom
Ally Skill Rope's End

Total ATK 36981

Difference from initial ATK power is 8757
(For reference purposes, Cover Fire x 1 = 3288)

Already seeing a problem with the Cannons being the same as Cover Fire... or maybe Freya Battle has something to do with it? Let's try the one cannon thing one more time without Barbary Coast included.

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PostedDec 26, 2012 12:06 pm
Experiment #3 - Using One Cannon Skill Redo!

And here is the attack team for this fight:

Andred the Victorious
Level 60 ATK 8081
Skill Rope's End - All ATK+ 1 Cannon

Armored Xara
Level 60 ATK 4600 (LOL)
NO SKILL

Cinta the Charmed
Level 45 ATK 4675
NO SKILL

High Witch Audrey
Level 45 ATK 5500
NO SKILL

Sniper Cecil
Level 30 ATK 3643
NO SKILL

Total ATK 26499

Cover Fire Bonus +3509



Rope's End Activate

1 Win Andred beats Alexa
Ally Skill Rope's End

2 Win Xara beats Opal

3 Win Cinta beats Cornelia
Ally Skill Rope's End

4 Win Audrey beats Lorelei

5 Win Cecil beats Marina
Ally Skill Rope's End

Total ATK 32590

Difference from initial ATK power is 6091
(For reference purposes, Cover Fire x 1 = 3509)

Okay. Seriously. I can't figure out what a Cannon does. I'm going to use the same team and see if I can't get a different ATK power result from it.
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