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andaro

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PostedDec 20, 2012 1:33 am
You're succeeding in doing that yourself.

But just to stop conspiracy, I'll provide some info since it appears you're phishing for it.
Yes I was asked to write a guide for the system, because I was the only one not busy at the time, and and the GM's wanted you to at least know how to work it. Taking the information from the developers, I threw together a Basic guide. Basic meaning the meat and potatoes. Not the best I've ever done but it was enough to show what the system does.

The photo shopped parts of the images was my doing. There was GM information there that is not necessary for the public to be concerned about, and being a good GS I was respectful enough to edit that out. Not that it was harmful, since it was only the Item Numbers GM's use to drop the items with, and but I felt it was nobody's business but the staffs so it was edited.

I chose 3 screen shots to show the basics. I was not about to include every single image. I do have other things to do.

So live with it. Take it or leave it. You could have gotten Nothing.
You are more than welcome to write a more detailed guide on the system.

But stop concocting some weird blame story as if you were out on a witch hunt.
Not only is it disrespectful, and it's completely unnecessary and trashy.


For those that wasted their time reading this thread I do apologize to you.
If anyone is to blame, it is myself for not taking the time to write a more full and detailed guide.
Regardless and nonetheless, to say anyone was deceived is fallacious and foolhardy.


-Andy

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Purity2001

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PostedDec 20, 2012 3:04 am
andaro wrote:
You're succeeding in doing that yourself.

But just to stop conspiracy, I'll provide some info since it appears you're phishing for it.
Yes I was asked to write a guide for the system, because I was the only one not busy at the time, and and the GM's wanted you to at least know how to work it. Taking the information from the developers, I threw together a Basic guide. Basic meaning the meat and potatoes. Not the best I've ever done but it was enough to show what the system does.

The photo shopped parts of the images was my doing. There was GM information there that is not necessary for the public to be concerned about, and being a good GS I was respectful enough to edit that out. Not that it was harmful, since it was only the Item Numbers GM's use to drop the items with, and but I felt it was nobody's business but the staffs so it was edited.

I chose 3 screen shots to show the basics. I was not about to include every single image. I do have other things to do.

So live with it. Take it or leave it. You could have gotten Nothing.
You are more than welcome to write a more detailed guide on the system.

But stop concocting some weird blame story as if you were out on a witch hunt.
Not only is it disrespectful, and it's completely unnecessary and trashy.


For those that wasted their time reading this thread I do apologize to you.
If anyone is to blame, it is myself for not taking the time to write a more full and detailed guide.
Regardless and nonetheless, to say anyone was deceived is fallacious and foolhardy.


-Andy  


Wasting time? You call it a waste of time to get real informations? You call it a waste of time , to read, that you can only get 1 item out of that mystery boxes, while the descr. says "each of the f." and on top of it call me disrespectful?
You call it a waste of time, to read, what ROP II really do? That that is only the half truth, whats written in the ROP II description? How long has that not been changed?
You call it a waste of time , to read what the Middle Grade Reformer really do?
You call it a waste of time, to know, that Guides linked in the Official News, made by GSs cant be trusted to its fullest, cause it could be half wrong and half right? You call it a waste of time to get aware of all that?

It should not look like I m picking on you. You re just the one , who wrote that guide. with what you got. Its the GMs responsebility to care for quality und correctness of informations in such a guide, so that players know, what they get and what could happen.

To say anyone was decieved is fallacious and foolhardy? Well , I apologize but you dont play Last Chaos US dont you? Have you blocked your ingame chat? Do you blend out the responses in the forums? And thats just the top of the iceberg. Lot of players just take it like: "wouldnt change anything if I mention about it".

If it would be only one thing. I would say nothing, but all those things are to the advantage of the Publisher and to the disadvantage of the player.
And yes, sometimes in some cases it would have been better to get no information, instead of beeing fed with such "to the advantage of the publisher informations". Then players would be more cautious.

Its not wired, its not a witch hunt. Its simple and the result you can read often ingame. Players feel decepted and not, cause the information they got was clear etc.
I just watched the picture and then noting, that that is not for real and saved them, opend and ..well saw its all photoshoped. What does that make for an impression? Right, If i expect quality and that such items have been tested(I was assuming that) and then get that/photoshoped pictures), in combination with a guide which only tells half of the possible outcomes, all that happens under the supervision and with the support of the GMs, THEN its not a witch hunt, its just 1+2+3+4. Others talk about it , get angry, frustrated. I write it out, here in the forum:-) And ..if thats true what you say and you really did that , with what you got and/or what they told you to do, I dont blame you and you should not take the responsibility for that. But for me it is ..unbelievable, that they didnt know that B5E can become B5D or B5C or G4C etc. and "forgot" to give you this information. Sorry...even a trainee could do it better. And..the possibilty to test it before it went live was given, so they 100% have known, the other outcomes. Why did you not get that informations?
Well, I just want that that is changed, what I listed, not more.


Greetings

Purity

Baconator411

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PostedDec 20, 2012 3:37 am
This is LC USA,not LC Germany.
WE have freedom of speech,just ask any politician and they'll tell you anything to get you to vote for them,then turn around and do the opposite of what they promised.

Nice story bro and i'm still lol'ing at your conspiricy theories.

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PostedDec 20, 2012 5:18 am   Last edited by Pimorez on Dec 20, 2012 6:42 am. Edited 1 time in total
My view on this: The guide Andaro has written shows that item seal sets can upgrade and downgrade.

The part about the photoshopping parts out is true, if those numbers would not be taken out, players would wonder what they are and that would most likely cause a lot of concerns by the players.

The screenshots however are NOT FAKE. These are actual screenshots taken by a GM, which were editted by Andaro so the item number was not visible, and all you saw was the Re-formation window.

The thing about the Potion and Glasses disappearing after using them is true, if you use 1 potion and 10 glasses while you have just 10 glasses in your inventory. If you have 100 Golden Magnifying glasses in your inventory, and you use 10, the Golden Magnifying glass will not 'grey out' or disappear, it will stay there

About the ROP II: I will create a live form where all string issues can be reported, so I can make a list of item, skill, quest names/descriptions that need editing to (better) reflect what the item/skill/quest does.

String Error Report Form

Purity2001

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PostedDec 20, 2012 6:10 am
Thank you for replying. So that photoshopped rectangles under the ...seals was the place, where the Item number was?
You are right that it shows, that seals can be upgrade or downgrade. But, that is very unlucky cause it not states clearly, that the seal set can change completely. If you read it, look at the pics, you think : ok , If I have B5E I can get B6E or B4E, MAYBE G5E, but not G4C or G5D or B5D. One player wrote it in the chat: I just used the MGRP and i got B5D out of B5E!!! He was very upset. Thats a complete change of the seal set. Happend with my Helm too. And B5E to B5D isnt a real downgrade, cause some players use Con Items, to have more life. Thats like:

The stats on the item get rerolled. That means, it is , as if you magnify them again. (with higher chances or just like that?(question). All seals who have been possible after magnifying the item the first time are possible. Please make that guide more specific. The way it was/is is not ok. Then better not putting those items into the game and first make a good guide and then implement it.

About the ROP II thing:

ROP II:

http://gunz.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=426642
quoted from there:

The Devs have finally provided the exact percentages, on a base chance which changes depending on what plus the item already has:

For a normal smelt, regardless of the item level (but see under PRO and DRO below):
Chance to Upgrade = 50% (minus an increasing amount for each plus past 0)
Chance to Break = 50% (plus an increasing amount for each plus past 0)

For an HS, regardless of the item level (but see below under PRO and DRO):
Chance to Upgrade = 60% (minus an increasing amount for each plus past 0)
Chance of no change = 20% (plus an increasing amount for each plus past 0)
Chance to break = fixed at 7%
Chance to degrade (downgrade) = fixed at 13%

(....)


If an HS is used with an RoP II on an item that is +10 or higher, the item will not break, but it may upgrade (by +1), may have no change, or may downgrade (back to +10; that is, this could be a downgrade of more than -1).


You ever got the message "-1" while using ROP II? Help me out, cause I cant remember getting that, only set back to +10. That would mean: If with ROP II you cant get -1 (not the reset msg) but instead of that the item is set back to +10 and also, if it would have been destroyed. Thats 20% resetchance each try and thats like how it is in reality. It is known, that a HS for itself can degrade an Item by -1. If you buy an ROP II now, you would -according to the description- NEVER expect, that the ROP II accumulates the downgrade and brake chance to set the item back to +10. In that case the description would be correct but the other effect is not beeing told.(thats WD). Or it is , that the item sets back instead of beeing destroyed and instead of -1, then the Item description is wrong/ just half true(thats also WD).



Greetings

Purity

dinosue2

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PostedDec 20, 2012 6:23 am   Last edited by dinosue2 on Dec 20, 2012 6:55 am. Edited 1 time in total
 
or may downgrade (back to +10; that is, this could be a downgrade of more than -1).
 
What that is saying is when it reverts to +10, it is possible the it could be -1 or more. That is why you only get the one message and not -1, as it could have been MORE than -1.

Booya39

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PostedDec 20, 2012 6:25 am
Dude you have way too much time on your hands.Either you're locked in a mental institution w/internet or you're on drugs,or off your medications.
I didn't understand a word you're trying to say.

Purity2001

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PostedDec 20, 2012 6:49 am
Booya39 wrote:
Dude you have way too much time on your hands.Either you're locked in a mental institution w/internet or you're on drugs,or off your medications.
I didn't understand a word you're trying to say.  



I think you should take your meds or leave the drugs. Maybe then u understand, cause my english is not THAT bad.Wink
I can type pretty fast. It not takes me too much time.


"You ever got the message "-1" while using ROP II? Help me out, cause I cant remember getting that, only set back to +10. That would mean: If with ROP II you cant get -1 (not the reset msg) but instead of that the item is set back to +10 and also, if it would have been destroyed. Thats 20% resetchance each try and thats like how it is in reality. It is known, that a HS for itself can degrade an Item by -1. If you buy an ROP II now, you would -according to the description- NEVER expect, that the ROP II accumulates the downgrade and brake chance to set the item back to +10. In that case the description would be correct but the other effect is not beeing told.(thats WD). Or it is , that the item sets back instead of beeing destroyed and instead of -1, then the Item description is wrong/ just half true(thats also WD). "


If you mean that part. Yeah, sucks a bit, but i had no lust to repeat and repeat..and NO i do not explain that to you.

cero551

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PostedDec 20, 2012 8:37 am
o.O poor Andaro , demand him and send him to jail already xD

Shalghar

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PostedDec 20, 2012 3:55 pm
There is no conspiracy, only enough people unwilling to realize that things like "luck" do not exist in software that keep on pumping money into a virtual roulette with magnets under every field. Whenever a certain amount of losses in Last Casino has been accumulated, something is triggered.

All things that feel dishonest that do happen in any version of LC are totally clear to see.
One look into item mall and some hundred ruined equips (or whatever losses one may accumulate in one of the many in game casino systems) should show whats up.

Live with it or leave it, as changes will not happen (except maybe the addition of more casino systems). The decision on if and how many money you want to waste in pixel stuff is totally up to you. Feel cheated ? Maybe. But you will never be able to prove it because noone sees how near to zero the "chances" on the game servers are set.
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