LancelotLoire wrote:

A side note there is a Jin section so I'm guessing they are not going to be removing any characters which is a stupid idea anyways.

Yeah, but I do think they should reassign some of the Jin officers to diff forces so that Koei can add the true Jin greats to the roster:

Xiahou Ba -> Shu
Zhuge Dan -> Wei (he was a Wei loyalist in history, that's y he rebelled against the Simas)
Guo Huai -> Wei (he served Wei his entire life)

My Wishlist for Jin:

Wen Yang (he had a minor role, but he could have a really good story + possible Zhao Yun rivalry reference)
Yang Hu
Du Yu
Jia Chong
Sima Yan
Zhang Chunhua

Dalis29 wrote:

LancelotLoire wrote: A side note there is a Jin section so I'm guessing they are not going to be removing any characters which is a stupid idea anyways.   Yeah, but I do think they should reassign some of the Jin officers to diff forces so that Koei can add the true Jin greats to the roster: Xiahou Ba -> Shu Zhuge Dan -> Wei (he was a Wei loyalist in history, that's y he rebelled against the Simas) Guo Huai -> Wei (he served Wei his entire life) My Wishlist for Jin: Wen Yang (he had a minor role, but he could have a really good story + possible Zhao Yun rivalry reference) Yang Hu Du Yu Jia Chong Sima Yan Zhang Chunhua

No point switching factions for them, Jin need the characters anyway for fictional modes

And on your list of Jin characters to add, im only in favor of Wen Yang, said to have been compared to Zhao Yun, rebelled against Wei under his farther, then went back to Wei after Zhuge Dan killed his farther.

NOT Sima Yan or Zhang Chunhua, add Sima Yan and Sima Yi will be the youngest grandfather ever, and Zhang Chunhua has grown up sons, Hate her custom character in DW7 Empires, she looks far too young to be a mother. Defiantly deleting her once I get my copy of the game.

HellStormTitan wrote:

Dalis29 wrote: LancelotLoire wrote: A side note there is a Jin section so I'm guessing they are not going to be removing any characters which is a stupid idea anyways.   Yeah, but I do think they should reassign some of the Jin officers to diff forces so that Koei can add the true Jin greats to the roster: Xiahou Ba -> Shu Zhuge Dan -> Wei (he was a Wei loyalist in history, that's y he rebelled against the Simas) Guo Huai -> Wei (he served Wei his entire life) My Wishlist for Jin: Wen Yang (he had a minor role, but he could have a really good story + possible Zhao Yun rivalry reference) Yang Hu Du Yu Jia Chong Sima Yan Zhang Chunhua   No point switching factions for them, Jin need the characters anyway for fictional modes And on your list of Jin characters to add, im only in favor of Wen Yang, said to have been compared to Zhao Yun, rebelled against Wei under his farther, then went back to Wei after Zhuge Dan killed his farther. NOT Sima Yan or Zhang Chunhua, add Sima Yan and Sima Yi will be the youngest grandfather ever, and Zhang Chunhua has grown up sons, Hate her custom character in DW7 Empires, she looks far too young to be a mother. Defiantly deleting her once I get my copy of the game.

Yeah, but I think a switch might be necessary for those Jin characters. If u take a look at Xiahou Ba in DW7: he never appears in Jin's story mode, only as an enemy and in cutscenes. And in XL, his Hero mode has him fighting for Shu.

Xiahou Ba definitely should get switched over, and Zhuge Dan maybe too because he never served the Sima clan, he was a Wei loyalist. And Guo Huai as well.

If Chen Tai gets added for instance, he should be in Wei because it's the same situation as with Guo Huai and Zhuge Dan.

I preferably wanna see a later Wei story as well, and not have it ended after Fan Castle. I think it would be fun if both the Jin and the Wei story ran simultaneously so that we can see the 2 sides at once, until Jin takes over.

About Wen Yang: he used a unique weapon in the novel (steel whip) and he was compared to Zhao Yun indeed. His story looks great as well. But he didn't really do much for Jin except dealing with a foreign invasion in 280 (Qiang or Xiongnu i think...)

Sima Yan: this could be similar to Liu Bei/Liu Chan as Liu Chan appears only as an infant during Chang Ban and only gets shown as an adult after Liu Bei passes away. Sima Yan could be similar, only being shown in the Jin story after Sima Yi and possibly Sima Zhao die.

And yeah, I chose Zhang Chunhua in order to add another female to the Jin faction. :p

Dalis29 wrote:

HellStormTitan wrote: Dalis29 wrote: LancelotLoire wrote: A side note there is a Jin section so I'm guessing they are not going to be removing any characters which is a stupid idea anyways.   Yeah, but I do think they should reassign some of the Jin officers to diff forces so that Koei can add the true Jin greats to the roster: Xiahou Ba -> Shu Zhuge Dan -> Wei (he was a Wei loyalist in history, that's y he rebelled against the Simas) Guo Huai -> Wei (he served Wei his entire life) My Wishlist for Jin: Wen Yang (he had a minor role, but he could have a really good story + possible Zhao Yun rivalry reference) Yang Hu Du Yu Jia Chong Sima Yan Zhang Chunhua   No point switching factions for them, Jin need the characters anyway for fictional modes And on your list of Jin characters to add, im only in favor of Wen Yang, said to have been compared to Zhao Yun, rebelled against Wei under his farther, then went back to Wei after Zhuge Dan killed his farther. NOT Sima Yan or Zhang Chunhua, add Sima Yan and Sima Yi will be the youngest grandfather ever, and Zhang Chunhua has grown up sons, Hate her custom character in DW7 Empires, she looks far too young to be a mother. Defiantly deleting her once I get my copy of the game.   Yeah, but I think a switch might be necessary for those Jin characters. If u take a look at Xiahou Ba in DW7: he never appears in Jin's story mode, only as an enemy and in cutscenes. And in XL, his Hero mode has him fighting for Shu. Xiahou Ba definitely should get switched over, and Zhuge Dan maybe too because he never served the Sima clan, he was a Wei loyalist. And Guo Huai as well. If Chen Tai gets added for instance, he should be in Wei because it's the same situation as with Guo Huai and Zhuge Dan. I preferably wanna see a later Wei story as well, and not have it ended after Fan Castle. I think it would be fun if both the Jin and the Wei story ran simultaneously so that we can see the 2 sides at once, until Jin takes over. About Wen Yang: he used a unique weapon in the novel (steel whip) and he was compared to Zhao Yun indeed. His story looks great as well. But he didn't really do much for Jin except dealing with a foreign invasion in 280 (Qiang or Xiongnu i think...) Sima Yan: this could be similar to Liu Bei/Liu Chan as Liu Chan appears only as an infant during Chang Ban and only gets shown as an adult after Liu Bei passes away. Sima Yan could be similar, only being shown in the Jin story after Sima Yi and possibly Sima Zhao die. And yeah, I chose Zhang Chunhua in order to add another female to the Jin faction. :p

To quote your main part of your reply about a later Wei faction, technically, the Jin faction IS the later Wei faction, none of the guys where alive when the actual Jin dynasty was formed, they where all officers of Wei in the later period.
Despite DW7 Jin story mode making it sound that Wei was divided into 2 factions, there were still 1 whole faction, just different parties within (Sima and Cao).

Dalis29 wrote:

Yeah, but I do think they should reassign some of the Jin officers to diff forces so that Koei can add the true Jin greats to the roster: Xiahou Ba -> Shu Zhuge Dan -> Wei (he was a Wei loyalist in history, that's y he rebelled against the Simas) Guo Huai -> Wei (he served Wei his entire life)

I see one major problem with this..

Sima Yi - Died before Jin existed (Had nothing at all to do with Jin)
Sima Shi - Died before Jin existed (Had nothing at all to do with Jin)
Sima Zhao - Died before Jin existed.. I'll give Jin him though because he was at the penultimate step to succeeding the Wei Dynasty.
Deng Ai - Died before Jin existed
Zhuge Dan - Died before Jin existed.
Zhong Hui - Died before Jin existed.
Guo Huai - Died before Jin existed.
Xiahou Ba - Died before Jin existed.

The only "Officer" in Jin that actually lived to see the founding of Jin was the wife of Sima Zhao and mother of Sima Yan (Wang Yuanji).


Onto your wishlist, **** yes I agree with Wen Yang. He was a great warrior in the novel. And they make mention to him being a great warrior in dw7 during the rebellions. Anyways here are a few people I'd add to your wishlist.

Sima Zhou - 6th son of Sima Yi. Was known as the "Fire General". Participated in the conquest of Wu with Wang Jun that forced the surrender of said kingdom. Leaving Jin as the only remaining faction.
Sima Liang - 4th son of Sima Yi. Was made the Prince Wencheng. In his later years he served briefly as a regent to Sima Yan's son and successor.
Wang Jun - Led the attack on Wu and forced Emperor Sun Hao to surrender
Lady Zhuge - The daughter of Zhuge Dan and wife of Sima Zhou.
Yang Huiyu - The third wife of Sima Shi. Her grandfather was noted scholar, poet and musician Cai Yong. Her mother was the sister of Cai Wenji. She is also the sister of Yang Hu.
Sima You - Sima Zhao's second son. Was adopted by Shi to continue his line. He was considered an exceptional person and Zhao was very conflicted on whether to name him or Yan as his successor.
Sima Fu - One of Sima Yi's younger brothers. After Yi's death when wu and shu lead an attack against Wei he played an important role in stopping their attack despite his old age at the time.

HellStormTitan wrote:

NOT Sima Yan or Zhang Chunhua, add Sima Yan and Sima Yi will be the youngest grandfather ever, and Zhang Chunhua has grown up sons, Hate her custom character in DW7 Empires, she looks far too young to be a mother. Defiantly deleting her once I get my copy of the game.

Sima Yan is by far a very important character in the ending stages of the era. Not to mention he was only 16 when Sima Yi passed away. Besides Liu Bei was 62 when he died and looked a lot younger then he should have been. Not to mention that Zhang Chunhua's death was one of the reasons that Sima Yi closed himself off from public matters before his coup 2 years later.

As far as aging concerns go.. Ding Feng of Wu served for something like 80 years? Sun Quan was leading Wu for 52 years (started at 18 years old) yet they don't age at all. And if people want the inclusion of somebody like Liao Hua they would need to have some sort of aging in the game as he lived and served from before the founding of Shu all the way to the collapse of it.

my requests are
Zhou Fang-wu
maybe another nanman besides meng and zhu
Cheng pu-wu he should of been in a long time ago
zhang bao-yellow turban
Li jue-dong zhuo
Cai mao-wei
Xaihou En

I want Yuan Shu or Liu Biao to be a new "Other" Warlord. They both lasted just as long and were as important to the story as Yuan Shao. And All three Story mode factions had something to do with/ or fought against each of these two Warlords

Datrollbustamvc wrote:

maybe another nanman besides meng and zhu

Only downside is that if I recall correctly, a great many of them if not all of them are fictional.
But heck, they're all already there as generic officers, so why the heck not? I'd like to see Wutugu myself.

Let me get in on this, from the looks of it, the last of the new charcters will go to Jin. Judging by the website how they've already filled the top area for the new characters in the other 3 factions.

It's good that everyone is going to have unique EX weapons. I can't wait to see other characters weapons. I wonder if Sima Yi or Zhuge Dan will get a weapon change based on the fact that Zhuge Liang got his Feather Fan, and 2 other fans might be a bit toooooo similar, I do hope Sima Yi holds his though (Otherwise it's safe to assume the return of his DW6 weapon which I loved).

I'd be excited to see one more new female in Jin, though I don't have my fingers crossed for it, it's not that big of a deal, I only use Zhen Ji half the time anyways. Guan Yingping is a good character, but I think a better Guan son would have been the prefered choice for the fans (No complaints though).

I hope this game is perfect, the sales concept of the games tends to p*ss me off, for example, "We'll stuff up DW7 with duped movesets, but not advertise them and show of the flashy graphics and cool character designs, in DW7:XL we'll make them a bit more unique but essentially the same, and then in Empires we'll fully revamp character movesets so it seems like most of them have unique EX weapons, with weapons we made them pay for in the original, and throw in a huge CAW mode so they'll defo want it, hehehe.... Then we'll throw a big DW8 announcement at them, they'll want them all"

I can't wait for DW8 quite frankly, I hope it comes out on my Birthday so I don't have to buy it

Lengthy post.. Breaking it down to reply..

Mahlowlicious wrote:

Let me get in on this, from the looks of it, the last of the new charcters will go to Jin. Judging by the website how they've already filled the top area for the new characters in the other 3 factions.

Is a tough call. We have had no "Other" officers released as of yet so they could easily announce a couple in that department. Not to mention they could conceivably edit and add in a couple new characters to the other factions. I would be very annoyed if Wei or Wu don't get any more characters as well. Going from the previous characters and counting in the new ones, Shu the smallest kingdom has a total of 21(from 1, Wu will have 17(from 16) and Wei which is the largest kingdom will have only 18(from 16). I am very much hoping to see somebody like Cao Zhang or Yu Jin show up for Wei and maybe Cheng Pu, Lu Kang, Sun Shao and Zhuge Ke show up for Wu. Although those are earlier periods so they might just add several to Jin that were later Wei officers instead.

Mahlowlicious wrote:

It's good that everyone is going to have unique EX weapons. I can't wait to see other characters weapons. I wonder if Sima Yi or Zhuge Dan will get a weapon change based on the fact that Zhuge Liang got his Feather Fan, and 2 other fans might be a bit toooooo similar, I do hope Sima Yi holds his though (Otherwise it's safe to assume the return of his DW6 weapon which I loved).

I wasn't too big a fan of his claws unfortunately. They had premise but the range was terrible. Zhuge Dan definitely needs a new weapon.

Mahlowlicious wrote:

I'd be excited to see one more new female in Jin, though I don't have my fingers crossed for it, it's not that big of a deal, I only use Zhen Ji half the time anyways. Guan Yingping is a good character, but I think a better Guan son would have been the prefered choice for the fans (No complaints though).

He only had 4 children (3 males, 1 female) and as of DW8 all 4 of his children (Ping, Suo, Xing, Yinping) are in the game. Guan Xing has a decent character design as well. Although his weapon looks a bit odd imo.

Mahlowlicious wrote:

I hope this game is perfect, the sales concept of the games tends to p*ss me off, for example, "We'll stuff up DW7 with duped movesets, but not advertise them and show of the flashy graphics and cool character designs, in DW7:XL we'll make them a bit more unique but essentially the same, and then in Empires we'll fully revamp character movesets so it seems like most of them have unique EX weapons, with weapons we made them pay for in the original, and throw in a huge CAW mode so they'll defo want it, hehehe.... Then we'll throw a big DW8 announcement at them, they'll want them all"

I've always preferred the Empires games over the original. I'm fairly angry that it's a digital download instead of an actual disk because I'd rather have a hard copy. I think they took a hint from my raging back on their forums a few years ago before DW6:E came out and upgraded the caw system. I'm fully taking credit for it as nearly all of the things I suggested came into effect.. Except for the voiced names (Multiple name selections of first and last name so that characters can actually say them out loud during battle instead of implying).

Vinderex wrote:

Only downside is that if I recall correctly, a great many of them if not all of them are fictional. But heck, they're all already there as generic officers, so why the heck not? I'd like to see Wutugu myself.

Zhu Rong is of course fictional as well. I'd rather see the inclusion of a completely new tribal people. Like the Xianbei or something. Mohuba and his son Muyan were both Xianbei and helped Wei (240-270ish). The Xiongnu were found in the Han and later Wei. Huchuquan a dethroned sovereign of the southern Xiongnu sent many gifts to Cao Pi when he was proclaimed emperor. Or perhaps the Wuhuan people, in 207 Cao Cao led a march into Manchuria and defeated them at the "Battle of White Wolf Mountain". After which two of the tribal leaders who didn't help the Yuan's submitted to Cao Cao, Nanlou (難樓) and Pufulu (普富盧). This would also allow the inclusion of Yuan Shao's sons. And of course Zhang Xiu died during the campaign so his inclusion wouldn't be amiss either.