There are only two plants in the family Cannabaceae, marijuana and hops.
Don't crap on beer

Marijuana is pronounced Maruh-Juh-Wanna

41ste wrote:

Disclaimer (for GMs): This is not a political discussion (because that's not allowed here, per forum rules), this is a moral discussion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Getting high is not as harmful to yourself or others around you as either: A) smoking a cigarette or B) getting drunk. I do not believe that getting high is a problem, AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT YOUR LIFE(style). In case you did not know, my parents are extremely conservative 7th Day Adventist people, who view ANYTHING like drinking or smoking as stupid and evil. There is nothing wrong with marijuana (not talking breaking laws here, since it's obv illegal). Insert your opinion here.

Look at what I underlined and put in bold. If someone has a problem, it is obviously negatively impacting their lifestyle. You could replace getting high with any other choice and say it isnt a problem unless its affecting their life in a negative manner. However then you could say that someone is eating too much chocolate and therefore it is a problem and affecting their lifestyle through diet and obesity. Is there something wrong with eating chocolate? No. Is there something wrong with creating sickness and disease in your body? Yes and no, depending upon who you ask and whether the risk is worth the reward for tantilizing foods for your taste buds.

To say there is nothing wrong with marijuana is, of course, an ignorant stance. There are quite a bit of things wrong with marijuana and even more so, to your point of belief of it not being a problem as long as it doesnt affect your lifestyle, you must see if it effects other people. Their lifestyles and whether your dependecy upon marijuana runs into their lives and their dependecy upon your responsibilities. Somethings that could be argued against marijuana are things suck as dependency, gateway drug, lung damage, dangers to newborns of pregnant mothers, and of course cell damage due to the smoke. Also, there are withdrawal symptoms, specifically psychologically.

People are free to make choices, but those choices lead to a result, whether good or bad. Marijuana may be "safer" than cocaine, meth and/or whatever other drug that comes to your mind (tobacco, cigarettes,etc) but does "safer" mean that it is healthy? Does it mean that it is safe? No. It still has risk involved with its use. Its up to the person to decide whether that risk is worth it and if they are willing to pay the consequences of that choice.

Now, if the use of marijuana plays a part in effecting other people's lives then it becomes an issue. Supposedly it can play a role in not being motivated, or to be lazy (and happy). If its use is affecting a person to the degree that they cannot hold up to their responsibilities for their family, job, or what have you, then its even more so an issue. Its no longer a personal issue.
If they hit it before work and come in high, red eyed, and spacey, what type of customer service will they provide? What, is the person going to get the family into smoking weed and making it a recreational thing for the whole family or employee's all getting together during a lunch break to light up?

You may be thinking "All things in moderation." Yes, but something that does, through studies, show, is it has addicting properties. Whos to say that it is something to be made moderate? Through laws, possibily ,and distribution. Then you get back into illegal activities of trying to get more, over the limit of per person.

There are a lot of points to be made, but as I said, it is an ignorant stance to say that there is nothing wrong with marijuana. A lot of the negatives are personal and with health, but there are also external consequences that can affect family, career and more. It's your choice, but when responsibilities come into play, its no longer just your choice. Well, technically it is, but it affects others around you. Its up to you to decide.

tobacco is a more harmful gateway drug than marijuana.

and i would much rather be dependent on marijuana for pain relief/whatever instead of narcotics/painkillers. either way, marijuana is not addictive.

KangaruV2 wrote:

tobacco is a more harmful gateway drug than marijuana. and i would much rather be dependent on marijuana for pain relief/whatever instead of narcotics/painkillers. either way, marijuana is not addictive.

Saying that doesnt negate the fact that it is a gateway drug nor it being harmful.
Thats like choosing between two evils, so to speak, for example like during an election. It still holds to being a negative force in your life but just not as much as something else. Its like choosing to eat red meat or choosing to eat soy-isolated protein fake burgers. Sure the soy one is a little healthier but it still does the same thing as the meat. It leeches calcium from the bones due to the acidity.

Again, coming down to choice, better yet, informed choices.

I don't care what crap you put in your body. I personally don't smoke because I don't want lung damage. It's also insanely boring, in my opinion. But judging how prolific it is I'm in the minority, and that's fine.

But in areas where it's illegal, it should not be smoked. 'cause that's the law, and the only way the law works is if it's enforced no matter what and people don't like it, it will be changed. So the law gets geared to help people instead of hamper them.

I'd be fine with it being legal, just only in private.

So long as it doesn't affect me or my friends, I don't care. I'm not going to tell someone what to do with their body if it has nothing to do with me.

Negative effects*

BenFTW_ wrote:

It leeches calcium from the bones due to the acidity.

but milk leaches calcium from the bones also

we might as well just kill ourselves now so we dont all get osteoporosis when we're 65.

also, can we make this a religious thread? maybe evolution?

KangaruV2 wrote:

BenFTW_ wrote: It leeches calcium from the bones due to the acidity.   but milk leaches calcium from the bones also we might as well just kill ourselves now so we dont all get osteoporosis when we're 65. also, can we make this a religious thread? maybe evolution?

Or, you could eat your greens and get calcium that way. Sure, milk "grows strong bones" (BS) but thats false, it as you said, actually weakens bones. If you dont want osteoporosis, drop all the dairy. Drop the acid foods from your diet and eat alkaline fruits, vegetables, and starches.

Where does calcium come from? Where does the cow get its calcium? From what it eats, and the calcium gets on the plants through what? The soil. so instead of getting your second hand calcium from consuming dairy, just get it from the souce. The soil! No, just kidding, but from the vegetables that get it from the soil.