I'm currently lurking and watching the sparring match in SB and I'm simply amazed.

Aeria benefits if Shaiya flourishes and grows.

The Community benefits if Shaiya flourishes and grows.

Common goals! Should be easy! Let's all get together and push this rope up that hill!. . . ummmmm, maybe not so much. . . . doesn't seem to be working. . . . I guess constantly pushing isn't going to get it done.

Ya think maybe we should approach the task at hand from a more effective position and try pulling together instead? Never know. Stranger things happen every day. Just might work!

As its you daj i have come to respect your wisdom, il make an effort, as i always have, but i can't help but believe that in the last couple of days disastrous decisions have destroyed community relations with areia.

The drama is so entertaining. Too bad the website is never fixed so I can't log in to SB to troll there.

Agreeing to dissagree and waiting to take a stance on something is exactly why we are here, its now been around 2 years.

I think patience has been a great virtue so far, but now with the double standards and fear, they have tipped there customers over the edge, just check the poll for this month.

There's a thing called an evaporating cloud

Part of the theory of constraints - usually two parties sit in opposition with the same goal.

Using the method if one can make both sides see they desire the same goal their opposition evaporates and they work together to make the goal a reality.

Trouble is some ppl are stubborn cusses and won't do the right thing...

Dajess wrote:

It only goes to further fuel the fires of discontent and all parties would do well to simply agree to disagree until there is actually something to take a stand on. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

That would require AGE act like a sort of legal system.
-AGE proposes a rule
-The community votes to express their opinions. It is at this time where the rule could be modified and/or clarified.
-AGE adds/rejects said rule into their list of enforceable rules based on community feedback.

I'm not saying it's not feasible/possible... but with the current attitude of certain AGE employees currently, I don't see it happening. On top of that, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are willing to create a ton of accounts to tip the scales in voting. Without measures to prevent such things from happening, your plan of waiting until there is actually something to take a stand on seems... pointless to me.

Not trying to discredit/offend you or anything Dajess, if that wasn't clear. I'm just worried that the point of 'no return' was crossed a long while back...

Vaf, isn't that exactly what appears to be happening? Superman stated that some official input on what's going on would be posted during the normal work week.

A proposal was evidently put forth, it appears that a number of GS' reacted negatively on behalf of the community and now we simply wait and see what will be put out to the public.

Novasaki, I understand that when viewed as a corporation, AGE is about numbers and profits, but I also see many of the actual people that represent that corporation and I know them to be people of character that are not devoid of individual thought. Working with them and supporting them sometimes empowers them to be heard when making arguments higher up the food chain.

Hopefully I'm not oversimplifying things by assuming that if they were to go forward at this time they would be told that it appears that the community is not supporting them in any way and there is no reason to consider policy changes when they can't show some kind of mutual trust and understanding that will benefit the corporation down the line. Be weary of the corporation if you must, but have some trust and faith in the individuals in the same way that you would want them to have trust and faith in you.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Dajess wrote:

A proposal was evidently put forth, it appears that a number of GS' reacted negatively on behalf of the community and now we simply wait and see what will be put out to the public

I doubt it was a 'proposal' if 7 GSs felt the need to quit over it.
I get the impression that it was more of a 'Here's a new rule for you to enforce'... which is not how these touchy issues should be dealt with.
If you are going to define a specific act as unacceptable discrimination while defining other acts as acceptable discrimination, you'd better darn well allow for some open debate in the community before you enforce the rules.

While this may just be one careless mistake by AGE that they will learn from in the future, it seems like 'common sense' () would have told them how to approach this situation in a reasonable manner.

Dajess wrote:

A proposal was evidently put forth, it appears that a number of GS' reacted negatively on behalf of the community and now we simply wait and see what will be put out to the public.

While I don't have the benefit of going into detail, I can say for my own part that what you refer to played part in me leaving the team. As a separate issue, it would not have been sufficient to make me leave.

Well we can be absolutely right in thought and theory and yet, if we can't learn to work within the system, we will get nowhere quickly.

When you don't own the ballpark you can't make the rules and we are definitely the visiting team.

Argument will never achieve victory, especially when the other side has the ability to shut off the lights, declare the argument over and send you home. In this environment, even tempered, civil and logical debate is the only way to make progress.

In an ideal situation, with AGE's approval of course, the community would put forth a small representative body that could meet with the Staff and calmly discuss the issues that appear to be tearing the community to threads. In this way, actual progress could be made.

The current environment is not beneficial to anyone and AGE knows all too well that the most economical and effective form of advertising is word of mouth and they aren't enjoying that at the moment. So finding solutions to this problem, and creating a happy community in the process, is in their best interest and has a direct effect on their bottom line.

Every problem has a solution, but until everyone makes that solution their primary goal and embraces compromise and understanding as tools for advancement, things will continue to decay and fester.

@Vaf. . .it's a proposal until the fat lady sings and she's enjoying the holiday at the moment. When we see it then it becomes official.