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PostedMay 15, 2012 8:01 pm
Disqmaster wrote:
http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1561097 Locked

andro wrote:
Lets please address all feedback to the proper feedback thread to keep this neat and as organized a transition as possible.  



http://www.aeriagames.com/forums/en/viewtopic.php?t=1561141 Not locked

Now I will draw your attention to this part

andro wrote:
This thread pertains specifically to what Cash-Shop items the community may or may not feel should be available as was mentioned as a possibility for the new server.

Lets' see some good Specific feedback on this Specific topic  



 



You started a thread in which there was already an ** Official Thread ** in order to give feedback. This was pertaining to the server merge. Such time is a crucial time for proper organization of information. You are a Forum Regular, and You are honestly complaining about being asked to redirect to a thread that was already in progress? So why did you make a new thread about the topic already at hand in the official one? You were either doing it intentionally, or just didn't care.

Then you became irate because another players topic which was similar , was left Open for discussion. His topic was done so, BECAUSE his topic was SPECIFIC to a particular Detail that was not the main focus of the *official feedback thread*, and everyone wanted to touch on that one specific point.

The same reasoning applies to why I asked GMPeechu to make an additional topic that was stuck, about the Names for the new server/merged servers.

I pointed that out to you TWICE.



So lets recap:


  • Official Thread requested all feedback about the Server Merge, Server Name Suggestions, and New Cash Shop possibilities.

  • 90% of the discussion and chatter in the Official Thread was heavily sided to general "Server Merge feedback"

  • A Secondary topic, to focus primarily on Server Name Suggestions was created to enhance the feedback.

  • A Tertiary topic, was created to focus primarily on New Cash Shop possibilities.

  • Your Post was on General Feedback about the merge (a thread already in progress)

  • During a crucial time such as a merge, it is necessary to maintain order so that information is not spread out, and those involved do not have to go needlessly searching for the details they need.

  • If at anytime you feel a post was un-necessarily locked, you can submit a ticket about said post, and a GM will review it. The fate of that post is at their discretion.



Furthermore, I have to note that there are *LESS* lockings, moves, deletions, etc of threads in the Aeria boards than there once was, which is primarily due to a decline in Forum Sages. And Also the Aeria boards are the Only boards where there are less lockings/moderation over-all in general.

I have visited plenty of community forum boards, where you ask a question, they answer it, and lock it. No discussions, no commentaries, no rebuttles. So I believe that if anything, the mods & staff are pretty darn lenient on what is allowed to go on in the boards here, and If anything we may need tighter reigns, considering some of the mess that goes on.

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PostedMay 15, 2012 8:02 pm
andaro wrote:
Disqmaster wrote:
LordRapthorne wrote:
Disqmaster wrote:
Relaera wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why these threads still exist  


As you can see, This GS is Blatanly disregaurding the Forum Rules  


I agree. I hate seeing Andaro's spam threads about groups which he seems to make every new month.

I understand having a little fun, but there's having fun and there's being an annoyance. No one appreciated his threads being spammed all over the place.
The groups feature sucks as it is (but that's a whole different rant).

I hope you have actually talked to Andaro about it directly before making this rant. From what I've seen Andaro is a somewhat reasonable person. i expect if he's made aware of how annoying his spam threads are they will stop, or be at least kept to the correct forum section (ie; aeria Odds and Ends)  


He has been made aware of it on more than one occasion
But as far as he is concerned he can do what he likes
And by the way I don't have to talk to anyone if I don't want to

This is a Rant section, a place to get things off your chest about things that are annoying you[b]  





These were advertisements to spread the word that the group was out there so that people may join them if they want to. While I understand that there are proper sub-forum for these types of threads, I preach that enough myself on occasion (mainly to keep such things in general discussion, or that communities odds & ends if it is community specific), the purpose was purely to spread the word of its existence, and the threads were non-game-related.

Technically, If we wanted to call ToS on the stage, Anything that is not specifically Aeria related is considered Spam, regardless of how many times it is posted.

Not everyone checks the main index, or the subforums...we all know that the majority of players don't even check the forum at all, and the majority of the ones that do rarely venture outside of their own games forum.

With that being said, If anyone felt this was in the line of Spam, then I apologize for the inconvenience, however I chose to have a simple one time announcement, rather than doing as one player suggested (which was making a signature and then just randomly posting in another forums thread so people see my signature)(as to me thats nothing more than just tossing a post count). I've never been one to post just for the sake of a post count. Usually if I have something to say, I prefer the quality of posts over the quantity.

The only ones that generally pointed this out, or even cared really, are the main "forum trolls" that hang around the forums. But in those respects I could be a jerk and point out a large amount of hypocrisy, when it comes to posting what where.

I also have some more specific reasons behind why what is posted where it is posted and in what fashion, which are in the process of being disclosed, not publicly for also specific reasons.

I could say that If the topics were something everyone *liked* then you would see no complaints, or less of them...So it does become interesting in what ways a troll trolls...*ponders*


Anyhow in closing, If you're *that* concerned of the situation, then I'm sure myself and the teams will gladly attempt to put in an effort to become more vigorous at "cleaning up the forums"....because I gotta tell you...there's alot of pointless "spam" that is posted more times by the same people that do the complaining versus the ones that are just showing some spirit.

If you feel that strongly offended by the topic, or you believe that a "Righteous Crusade" is necessary, feel free to submit a ticket via Contact Us.



Sincerely,

Andy
The Overbearingly Tyrannically Corrupted LC GS (ToTC)


Ps. I lol'd at how seemed that concerned that I "make a new group every month"....jealous much? No? Then I don't see the relevancy in pointing that out.  

So your argument is...

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PostedMay 15, 2012 8:10 pm
Rakusen wrote:
Killa_1112 wrote:
xybolt wrote:
Killa_1112 wrote:
I was a GS, i can tell u the GS's are watched VERY closely. if they put a foot out of line then heads roll.  


by this, they even don't have a chance to share opinion. only "good" opinion got accepted, and if it's bad, it got ignored or you got less mercy.  
I haven't a clue what you just said O_o  


GS Giving an opinion for AGE: Good! Thumbs up for you.

GS Giving an opinion vs AGE: Why did you say that!

I tend to get the second one more because of foot-in-mouth syndrome.  


(Someone also mentioned that Sages dont' tend to give negative feedback for *blank* reasons..)


On the contrary, and I'm strongly against these types of thinkings.

There is a great difference between posting negative feedback, and constructive criticism, and many share that point of view.

If there is something I believe is an issue, you best believe I'm going to state my opinions, regardless of whomever's feelings are hurt in the process, as I don't believe in sugarcoating anything.

We GS do give negative feedback, but we do so in a respective, organized manner that is constructive in nature. We just don't "beat them over the heads with it". It's one thing to write a letter of complaint, it's a whole nother matter to wad that letter into a ball and throw it at them.


** There are alot of Issues and situations that have a definitive need to be criticized and discussed in Closed Forum or Closed Meeting, not in the general view of the public, whether its for Morale reasons, ToS reasons, or other reasons. It's not that the feedback is not valued, or wanted, or needed, or appreciated*It's that sometimes it's best to "Work behind the scenes" as we have a tendency to be known to do on many occasion.

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PostedMay 15, 2012 8:26 pm
LilianMcK wrote:
OSUBeaver wrote:
Please keep the conversation more general or I'll be forced to lock/remove this topic.
I know this is rants and raves, but if you have an issue with a specific GS, please submit a ticket.  


Well as one who does not normally single out individuals I understand this although I do not always agree with it in certain circumstances.

However it does reach the point when it is very difficult to keep to this and generally I do. I am sure many have gone down the rt route for many complaints, not just one individual. Yes I should have informed the mistaken player by pm, However as I said I am human, angry and have already apologised for that. It is very difficult sometimes to stay silent when one sees so many non truths in the forums.

As to sending another rt, I personally doubt it will have much effect so the jury is out on that one,

What I will say though on the one hand we have a gs stating in this same thread give examples or I wont believe it is true. On the other hand we are told not to refer to individuals. I respect this rule generally as you yourself know full well beaver. I also understand the reasoning behind it.

What I ask of other players as it has been warned by beaver, if referring to a particular individual again this will be locked or even worse removed, keep it general as I would hate to see an honest thread like this disappearing. Seeing both sides here.  




I don't apologize if this sounds rude, because frankly I'm intentionally being very abrupt in saying this.

But lets do please stop lying to ourselves.
This post was never made to be a general rant and rave topic, constructive, or even trollish.
The poster and the postess have a personal issue with me, and I'm the sole individual the post is about, full steam and all.


This post, and all its entirety, is about ---> Andaro.

I love you too. <3

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PostedMay 15, 2012 9:31 pm
 
With that being said, If anyone felt this was in the line of Spam, then I apologize for the inconvenience, however I chose to have a simple one time announcement, rather than doing as one player suggested (which was making a signature and then just randomly posting in another forums thread so people see my signature)(as to me thats nothing more than just tossing a post count). I've never been one to post just for the sake of a post count. Usually if I have something to say, I prefer the quality of posts over the quantity.  


I find this part amusing.

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PostedMay 16, 2012 12:46 am
andaro wrote:
LilianMcK wrote:
OSUBeaver wrote:
Please keep the conversation more general or I'll be forced to lock/remove this topic.
I know this is rants and raves, but if you have an issue with a specific GS, please submit a ticket.  


Well as one who does not normally single out individuals I understand this although I do not always agree with it in certain circumstances.

However it does reach the point when it is very difficult to keep to this and generally I do. I am sure many have gone down the rt route for many complaints, not just one individual. Yes I should have informed the mistaken player by pm, However as I said I am human, angry and have already apologised for that. It is very difficult sometimes to stay silent when one sees so many non truths in the forums.

As to sending another rt, I personally doubt it will have much effect so the jury is out on that one,

What I will say though on the one hand we have a gs stating in this same thread give examples or I wont believe it is true. On the other hand we are told not to refer to individuals. I respect this rule generally as you yourself know full well beaver. I also understand the reasoning behind it.

What I ask of other players as it has been warned by beaver, if referring to a particular individual again this will be locked or even worse removed, keep it general as I would hate to see an honest thread like this disappearing. Seeing both sides here.  




I don't apologize if this sounds rude, because frankly I'm intentionally being very abrupt in saying this.

But lets do please stop lying to ourselves.
This post was never made to be a general rant and rave topic, constructive, or even trollish.
The poster and the postess have a personal issue with me, and I'm the sole individual the post is about, full steam and all.


This post, and all its entirety, is about ---> Andaro.

I love you too. <3  


I am appalled that you have reduced this to this. Name calling, false accusations etc. Stop flaming and calling people names. Also if you are corrected you try to make out it is personal. It is your behaviour that is wrong and in particular in this thread. It is very convenient when one is criticised to claim it is personal. It is one's behaviour I report on and would do the same if anyone else acted like this. I have had this accusation before and it is a very convenient lie.

My only comment about what you did personally was in response to another player and I have already explained that. It is not about who you are it is about actions.


After my statement agreeing with Beaver I feel that you are determined to derail this thread to get it locked or removed. I ask Superman to remove this persons flaming, personal and accusing posts and keep this thread here. Appalling behaviour by anyone much less a GS.

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PostedMay 16, 2012 1:15 am
LilianMck wrote:
I am appalled that you have reduced this to this. Name calling, false accusations etc. Stop flaming and calling people names. Also if you are corrected you try to make out it is personal. It is your behaviour that is wrong and in particular in this thread. It is very convenient when one is criticised to claim it is personal. It is one's behaviour I report on and would do the same if anyone else acted like this. I have had this accusation before and it is a very convenient lie.

My only comment about what you did personally was in response to another player and I have already explained that. It is not about who you are it is about actions.


After my statement agreeing with Beaver I feel that you are determined to derail this thread to get it locked or removed. I ask Superman to remove this persons flaming, personal and accusing posts and keep this thread here. Appalling behaviour by anyone much less a GS.  


Oh please, the 2 of you have been pulling the same stunt and dance routine for the past 3 months as if it were some personal sort of vendetta, going around the sun to meet the moon. Ya've been doing it in many posts many times in many ways.

I hold no personal grudges against anyone, never have, never will, lol so I find it rather amusing to witness this strange although be it entertaining "charade".

Btw, this topic was a de-rail the moment it was posted, due to the intent behind it.
Naturally peeps would say I'd have to be Miss Cleo to know what someone's intent is, but I'm not an idiot.

I wasn't making it out to be personal, ya'll did that from the get go, don't try and deny that it wasnt. I've been closely watching the LC forums now for a very long time, and I know the patterns of many people. So yeah, when I see something for what it is, I call it out.

You don't find it appalling, you find it a convenient opportunity to lash out at me on a personal basis which you've been waiting for for quite some time. (And Ya, the proof is in the RT's)

I don't know what your personal grudge is against myself, but you need to get over it, whatever it is.


FYI, I didn't call anyone any names, and If you're campaigning against mudslinging, which I have a strong stance against, you better take a LONG look in the mirror sister.

As far as lockings go, its rants & raves section, if it goes lock, so be it.
But if you think I'm going continue to sit quite and be harassed by "perfumed" words made up to look like some Shakespearean theater with hidden meanings, You are dead wrong.

GS or No GS, you wanna throw a curve ball at me, I'm all for stepping up to bat.

I will though disdain from posting further on this issue, as it's a waste of my time...and for me to say that ..is bad, everyone knows I waste loads of time.



on a latter note....non-flaming...in a Rant/Rave?...that's a little bit of a contradiction there.

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PostedMay 16, 2012 3:09 am
anyway back on topic. With regard to GSs being advised strongly or not allowed to post negative criticism in public forum, I do not know what the policy is on this as I would not ask a GS this and of course if they are a professional GS they would not tell me.

I do find it refreshing when a GS does disagree with something aeria based in public as long as it is professional and constructive.

I however of course do understand and agree they should not be inflammatory or rude on the subject. I think this of normal players any way and to me GSs should be setting examples and following the rules themselves and be held to a higher standard than normal players. If they are going to tell others how to follow the rules, they need to be an exemplary example themselves to do this. Otherwise no respect should be or will be given. We cannot say when convenient they are just players if their behaviour is inappropriate and then in the other instance be expected to respect them as game sages.

I think personally what happens with many is they say nothing. They do not pay lip service to something for the sake of it. They also do not publicly voice their dislike of certain issues or criticise. Now I do not know if they have been instructed to do this (I would hope not), or they have been strongly advised not to (again I would hope not). It may just be a personal preference of the individuals concerned or it could be they are afraid they may say too much. I personally understand this. They will be held more accountable.

The GSs are supposed to be a link between players and GMs. Yes they are the eyes and ears of the GMs. However they are also there to be the champions of their fellow players (just my opinion). That is how it used to be. I would hate to see even more of a divide between the GSs and the other players than there already is. Hence this is why I personally do find it refreshing when a GS does disagree publicly with something as long as respectful.

I know we joke about the whole Big Brother thing, but I would hate this to be a reality and I know to some it does seem so occasionally Wink

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PostedMay 16, 2012 6:01 am
andaro wrote:

Furthermore, I have to note that there are *LESS* lockings, moves, deletions, etc of threads in the Aeria boards than there once was, which is primarily due to a decline in Forum Sages. And Also the Aeria boards are the Only boards where there are less lockings/moderation over-all in general.  


1) You have no basis of proof in the form of statistics when it comes to locks, moves and deletions.
2) You also falsely correlate a decrease in Forum Sages to fewer locks, moves and deletions. Correlation does not prove causality.
3) Lastly

andaro wrote:

Ps. I lol'd at how seemed that concerned that I "make a new group every month"....jealous much? No? Then I don't see the relevancy in pointing that out.  


You completely missed the point in thinking that people are annoyed that you make a new group every month. No one is concerned that you make a new group every month, it's the fact that you misplace the advertisement of such groups in the general discussion of the forums, where you have said everything should be game related. The relevancy is the whole point the OP was trying to make. Hypocrisy much?

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PostedMay 16, 2012 6:46 am
In my humble opinion, this thread is way out of control. I cannot believe what I am reading, I now have a headache ><

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