n40m1 wrote:

[*] You don't need premium items to win. As said in a previous thread, GunZ really is a skilled based game. No matter how frustrated you get when killed by someone who uses prems, just remember that you can get better, come back and drop them. As long as GunZ stays with LEADING. If we get an anti-lead system, the balance of the game would change. [*]You will be cheaped in games. (ie: flipped in a low ceiling area, insta'd in sword fights, recoil pb'd, ks'd, tk'd etc.)

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I disagree with both of these issues. Premiums are a bonus to your attributes and stats and without them an equally skilled player could best you. In fact, even if you were better than that person, you may still lose. However, I won't expand on this topic but it is important.

Secondly, this is a part of the game. You learn to adapt to them and deal with it. Do not make the false impression that GunZ is an incomplete, glitched out game, which it is not. Learn to adapt to your environment and win against the other person. You know what I considered getting cheaped in a match? Hackers. Ddos, or intentional spikers

ijjiGosu wrote:

n40m1 wrote: [*] You don't need premium items to win. As said in a previous thread, GunZ really is a skilled based game. No matter how frustrated you get when killed by someone who uses prems, just remember that you can get better, come back and drop them. As long as GunZ stays with LEADING. If we get an anti-lead system, the balance of the game would change. [*]You will be cheaped in games. (ie: flipped in a low ceiling area, insta'd in sword fights, recoil pb'd, ks'd, tk'd etc.)   I disagree with both of these issues. Premiums are a bonus to your attributes and stats and without them an equally skilled player could best you. In fact, even if you were better than that person, you may still lose. However, I won't expand on this topic but it is important. Secondly, this is a part of the game. You learn to adapt to them and deal with it. Do not make the false impression that GunZ is an incomplete, glitched out game, which it is not. Learn to adapt to your environment and win against the other person. You know what I considered getting cheaped in a match? Hackers. Ddos, or intentional spikers

The biggest problem effecting the balance of game play is meds. They conceal the true skill of a player and the game would be better off without them.

iBloodthirst wrote:

The biggest problem effecting the balance of game play is meds. They conceal the true skill of a player and the game would be better off without them.

I hate that. That's so wrong.

Meds help players to gain an advantage, such as premiums, instafalling, grenades, fire/ice bombs, turtling.

by that logic. Prems should be removed, kstyle should be removed grenades, and the defend option on a sword should be removed.

Meds are just another way to play.

that's the same as complaining about a sprayer. Why complain?

Take meds as a compliment. If they need meds to beat you, and you still win. It takes 2 of them, to kill 1 of you, and you STILL WON! you're CLEARLY better.

^ you see? there's always a silver lining!

Demon_rage2 wrote:

iBloodthirst wrote: The biggest problem effecting the balance of game play is meds. They conceal the true skill of a player and the game would be better off without them.   I hate that. That's so wrong. Meds help players to gain an advantage, such as premiums, instafalling, grenades, fire/ice bombs, turtling. by that logic. Prems should be removed, kstyle should be removed grenades, and the defend option on a sword should be removed. Meds are just another way to play. that's the same as complaining about a sprayer. Why complain? Take meds as a compliment. If they need meds to beat you, and you still win. It takes 2 of them, to kill 1 of you, and you STILL WON! you're CLEARLY better. ^ you see? there's always a silver lining!

Not much of a silver lining but I kind of agree with that, although rather than "a way to play" they're just another option. Advantages make the difference between winning and losing, the winner always has an advantage in some form, what most competitive games usually want is to make that advantage as skill based as possible < not equipment.

You said things such as instafall, grenades, bombs and turtling help one to gain an advantage but they also leave you vulnerable while you're attempting to use them. If you're in your opponents face then medding can also present an opening, although your opponent usually breaks off and hides before medding.
The issue is how does one deal with it. If there's not a good enough way to deal with something then it's considered overpowered. Meds, shotguns, k-style and such usually fall into this category but the latter two are ignored because of how overused they are.

Vasima wrote:

Demon_rage2 wrote: iBloodthirst wrote: The biggest problem effecting the balance of game play is meds. They conceal the true skill of a player and the game would be better off without them.   I hate that. That's so wrong. Meds help players to gain an advantage, such as premiums, instafalling, grenades, fire/ice bombs, turtling. by that logic. Prems should be removed, kstyle should be removed grenades, and the defend option on a sword should be removed. Meds are just another way to play. that's the same as complaining about a sprayer. Why complain? Take meds as a compliment. If they need meds to beat you, and you still win. It takes 2 of them, to kill 1 of you, and you STILL WON! you're CLEARLY better. ^ you see? there's always a silver lining!   Not much of a silver lining but I kind of agree with that, although rather than "a way to play" they're just another option. Advantages make the difference between winning and losing, the winner always has an advantage in some form, what most competitive games usually want is to make that advantage as skill based as possible < not equipment. You said things such as instafall, grenades, bombs and turtling help one to gain an advantage but they also leave you vulnerable while you're attempting to use them. If you're in your opponents face then medding can also present an opening, although your opponent usually breaks off and hides before medding. The issue is how does one deal with it. If there's not a good enough way to deal with something then it's considered overpowered. Meds, shotguns, k-style and such usually fall into this category but the latter two are ignored because of how overused they are.

Good players should be able to survive in the game without meds and the premium meds upset the balance of play in the game by giving an advantage to those who can afford to buy them.

thnx very helpful thnx alot good stuff

Demon_rage2 wrote:

iBloodthirst wrote: The biggest problem effecting the balance of game play is meds. They conceal the true skill of a player and the game would be better off without them.   I hate that. That's so wrong. Meds help players to gain an advantage, such as premiums, instafalling, grenades, fire/ice bombs, turtling. by that logic. Prems should be removed, kstyle should be removed grenades, and the defend option on a sword should be removed. Meds are just another way to play. that's the same as complaining about a sprayer. Why complain? Take meds as a compliment. If they need meds to beat you, and you still win. It takes 2 of them, to kill 1 of you, and you STILL WON! you're CLEARLY better. ^ you see? there's always a silver lining!

Disagreed, meds negate all the damage you did, but all the other things you mentioned don't negate, just add to the battle.

Meds aren't as bad as they used to be (in my opinion). Years ago they practically decided battles because the typical top 10-15 clans, with the exception of some, were nearly/relatively equal in skill. There also weren't pills/vials. So it hurt a lot more than it does now.

ijjimilan wrote:

Disagreed, meds negate all the damage you did, but all the other things you mentioned don't negate, just add to the battle.

And?

They mitigate some of the damage that was done, Let's say you got instafalled, but they failed to kill you because they had to reload and you think "Wow. Instafall, That's so lame!"
Veteran channel is where they really matter, to be honest, and beginner. Later on, everyone has breaker 7-8 that can just 2-3 shot.

I mean really
20/20 damage mitigation = 3 sword slashes
30/30 damage mitigation = 5 sword slashes

That's really not a big deal.

Meds have a practical, but not optimal use, because you have to run off and hide, wait for the med to drop, then nom it.

In that precious 5 seconds it takes, the game could end.

I cannot tell you how many Duel Matches I've timed, and clocked my win before 30 seconds.

Then again, I cannot tell you how many times I've had meds, and been dropped before 20 seconds.

The speed of GunZ, will overtake most medders to negate all damage mitigation via healing by medical, armor repair kits....

The Vials though, are brutal. One click, and healing for 5 seconds. Whooie.

I use them during quests, very handy.

I just finally got a reason to go forums of aeria, gunz seriously transfering here, and just wondering how can I use my account of Gunz to this one!?