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PostedJul 03, 2008 4:31 pm   Last edited by dionnsai on Jul 04, 2008 12:35 pm. Edited 3 times in total

A BlackHeart's thoughts on Anky **Revised**

What EVERYONE should know about boss farming.
**Preface**

 
*** A Note ***
Anky farming under the BlackHeart's name should be drastically reduced from now on. I have also revised the general feeling of the message to reflect this and remove any statements which might be interpreted to target specific people.
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There are players who would prefer that some of the knowledge contained below be kept to themselves, to anyone who feels that way, too bad. =)

I am assembling this post because I believe that a small number of players are over-farming Anky and having a detrimental effect on other players of the server. For any of you who may have felt ill-treated by a boss farmer, please note that they represent only a very small part of our player base and the guilds to which they belong. Of course, I can only speak for myself outloud, so I will and if any of my guildies wish to contradict me, they're welcome to =).

The goal of this post is to spread knowledge which will help to level the playing field for everyone. I have observed these type of behavior on both servers now and on both sides, so this applies to everyone.

**The Anky Spawn**

What I am saying here often applies to Asmo as well, however Anky (and the fury version) is probably the most hotly contested boss so most of what I say here will refer to him.

Anky (short for Ankyful sonofasomethin Rolling Eyes), is a higher level boss which spawns approximately every four hours in the lower level of the Maitreyan dungeon. Every player who wishes to complete their mid-40's epic quest is required to kill Anky as a portion of the quest.

Because Anky only spawns four hours after his previous death, there are only up to 6 chances to complete the quest per day. This also means that at most, only a maximum of 42 players can complete the Anky quest in a given day.

The Anky spawn location is probably the site of some of the worst behavior between experienced players in the entire game. Because of disputes over Anky, I have seen players booted from guilds, and sometimes half a guild will split away because of a dispute over this boss. In short, it can get very very very ugly.


**Legend Loot**

Anky drops a piece of Legendary loot (5 lapis slots, must be hard mode+ to wear) each time he dies. Because of the rarity of Legendary loot and the extremely low odds that the specific pieces a player needs will drop, Hardcore Anky farmers will farm him for days, weeks, months just to get that one piece of armor or whatever it is that they desperately need.


**Farmers**

Because of the extreme amount of time between spawns and the quality of loot dropped, farmers will park some of their characters within the "Anky room". These players will then log their characters into the game at the approximate time when Anky is due to spawn to improve their chances of being able to farm.

Of course, all farmers are not equal:

You'll know the hardcore farmers because they're the ones that are there 2 or 3 times a day, if not more.

These are usually accompanied by guildies or friends who are recruited for backup, these usually show up maybe once a day, if only a couple times a week.


**Loot Drops are Not Random**
If you skip everything else, read this part.
Farming parties usually know who will get the loot ahead of time.

Some players know this, others don't: Loot drops always fall in party order.

The next time you party with a friend, test the order in which you receive loot. Kill a mob, if it drops a piece of loot, note who received the drop, then kill another mob. You will see that your loot drops proceed through the party order from top to bottom.

In most cases (not all), if you are joining an Anky farming party, it is structured so that a specific person will receive the Legend drop, then the next two will receive the Dread drops (anky usually drops three items).


**Why farmers want questers**

By "quester" I mean a player who has a quest which requires the death of a specific boss for completion.

This is not "all" farmers, but for the most part this holds true:
Early on in the game, questers were often excluded from killing bosses. Farmers would repeatedly kill boss mobs for the loot without allowing questers to party. In many cases, questers would wait for days trying to complete a quest, with many of them giving up rather than succeeding in the end.

To combat this, it has been emphasized repeatedly that Questers have priority, resulting eventually in this post to report farmers:
http://forums.aeriagames.com/viewtopic.php?t=123893


As a result: Questers are now a sought after commodity.

Farmers now attempt to ensure that they have questers in their party as often as possible to ensure that they have the moral authority to farm.

You will still see the same parties of farmers (it's really only a handful of the same players usually) showing up to kill a boss, but now they each attempt to have a "quester" in their party to hold over any other competitive parties of farmers:


 
Example:

Party A. has four members.
Party B. has four members and one quester.

Party B. members will threaten to report party A. members for KSing a quester if they attempt to farm Boss.

Party B kills boss. Members a,b,c usually are structured to get loot, member d (quester) completes quest and leaves.  



To be clear: I'm not saying what party B does here is bad...

I am saying, do not be deceived into thinking that their motivation is to "help the questers". Their only motivation as far as a quester is concerned is to ensure that they have the authority to kill the boss and grab the loot (see **Loot Drops are Not Random Above**).


**How do you prove you have a quester?**

Several guildies and friends have told me after the fact that they were instructed by farmers to lie about having the quest. This is a very common practice among farmers, but how do you prove it? And how are the competitive farmers to know that you're lying unless they've seen that specific character in a farming party before. Food for thought if you decide to go after the big boss. Also food for thought if someone threatens to report you if you attempt to take the boss spawn...


**The Anky Spawn Time**

Last but not least: The Anky Spawn Time. Anky spawns approximately four hours after his last death. Typically, the only people who know when Anky is due to spawn are those people who were present at the last killing...and any friends who are invited for the next spawn.

The time of Anky's next spawn is a closely guarded secret and you will rarely see people announcing it much more than thirty minutes or so before he's due, and only if they believe they need help, or if they are attempting to secure a quester.


**Solutions?**

Publicise the Anky spawn times. And by that I mean, if you know when Anky is next due, spam Trade chat, guild chat, your group, your friends and make sure EVERYONE knows. If it's gonna be a farmfest, lets make it an outright mob lol. And here's the real trick:

Questers get priority, REALLY:
This means, we spam the Hard out of trade chat when Anky is due, a full party of people who NEED the quest completion go in and kill him. If they absolutely can't do it without help (which shouldn't be happening now that we have HM and UM players levelling....) then maybe a couple lv50's join in.

**Solutions?**
In reality there is no long term solution. Farmers will keep farming and the world will keep going round. BUT, at the very least you'll have a better picture of what's really going on in the boss room.

Teos: Kaeya | .Kaeya. | xX-Kaeya-Xx Lailah: Kaeya | Kaeyah | .Kaeya. Everything you need to know about boss farmers: http://forums.aeriagames.com/viewtopic.php?t=138510
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PostedJul 03, 2008 5:33 pm
Too true, but it is too difficult for people to actually know if people are telling the truth. I for one still have not been able to do the quest because of these so called farmers who say they are helping questers. I already have a lvl 48 mage and a lvl 50 defender that has not finished the quest yet, and i could always put a screen shot to prove that i still haven't finished the quest :/. There has been one case where a party with questers ended up getting banned because there was a farmer in the group also. There really needs to be a better way to enforce this, or even have an event for questers to kill anky :/. (There was an amazing Asmo event 5 or so months ago when venty spawned 3 asmos in cornwell o:, there should be something similar for questers only)

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PostedJul 03, 2008 5:42 pm

Re: A BlackHeart's thoughts on Anky

What EVERYONE should know about boss farming.
dionnsai wrote:


**How do you prove you have a quester?**

Several guildies and friends have told me after the fact that they were instructed by farmers to lie about having the quest. This is a very common practice among farmers, but how do you prove it? And how are the competitive farmers to know that you're lying unless they've seen that specific character in a farming party before. Food for thought if you decide to go after the big boss. Also food for thought if someone threatens to report you if you attempt to take the boss spawn...  


As far as I know, there's really know way to prove it unless an investigation is launched. If a GS gets a report about a farmer, we tell a GM, the quest logs are checked. But obviously, this is done after Anky has been farmed...which really doesn't ease the mind of those who just wasted up to 4 hours. It sucks, I know. I got Anky once and have played the same class ever since, just reusing that weapon. The reward for Anky is pretty lame, in my opinion, but some just want to experience to kill and complete the quest. I've been told that on Fury (Theirs is called Astaroth...he's pretty cool looking), they have 3 of them. Each can be killed for the quest, each drops a legend. So, as you said, a maximum of 42 Alliance can complete the Anky quest in a day, whereas a maximum of 126 Furies can do it in a day. I'm sure both sides have bad farming issues, but I wouldn't mind two more Anky's to help us out.

Call it QQ'ing if you will, I'm just curious as to why.


Seriously, good job writing all this out though.

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PostedJul 03, 2008 5:59 pm
Fury has 4 Astaroths, light has 1 Anky, but he is MUCH harder than anky simply because of his AOE range and magic attack. For Asta, a mage can be standing at max range and still be hit by Asta's aoe.

Also, anky's aoe is physical based, so a ranger can dodge and a tank's rec can be implemented. Asta's aoe is magic based, which means a tank's REC/ Assassin's DEX is very limited at Asta.

Whereas a lvl 46 can tank anky with a few healers, a lvl 46 CANNOT do so at Asta.

The Quest reward for Anky is simply a terrible glove. You already recieved a water staff from part one of the quest.

I thought of a way to randomize legend boss drops...

Give it to someone who does not want the drop, have them drop the item. And whoever wants it try to pick it up, fair and simple.

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PostedJul 03, 2008 6:09 pm

Re: A BlackHeart's thoughts on Anky

What EVERYONE should know about boss farming.
Good information Kae, much of which I had no clue about. For instance, the drops from anky and the drop ordering, its news to me!


dionnsai wrote:
**Preface**
(a guildie was kicked recently from our guild for revealing the spawn time to an outsider)  


I am shocked and amazed by this, virtually speechless. We are not (hopefully) just another run of the mill boss farming guild. I like almost every member of BlackHearts that I have interacted with and have been proud to be associated with BH. But kicking a member for something like this is unacceptable and if this is how we normally do business then it may well be time for me to move on. It is my sincere prayer that Kae is mistaken and that there is more to it than what is stated here.

This went off topic a bit and for that I am sorry, but for me the more pressing issue is what our guild is known for and the standing, or lack thereof, we have in the Shaiya community. I hope this is made right ASAP.

ThickSaviour - 60 UM Oracle <br>ThickHead - 30 UM Guard - GRB and PVP <br>Guild: Pray For My Downfall <br>Server: Etain <br>Faction: UoF - thats Fury, not darkie >.> Go left.. Go right.. But never go light.

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PostedJul 03, 2008 6:10 pm
hey there rev

ezekiel3387 like you yourself stated before in not so many words dont whine about it not being unequal for Alliance and furies

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PostedJul 03, 2008 6:26 pm   Last edited by dionnsai on Jul 04, 2008 12:23 pm. Edited 1 time in total
Relevence wrote:

I thought of a way to randomize legend boss drops...

Give it to someone who does not want the drop, have them drop the item. And whoever wants it try to pick it up, fair and simple.  


Your idea may work for a specific party, but it's only a solution for that party. I'm not talking about guild/group loot sharing. You need to think about it in the broader picture, like the way the incessant farming has been effecting the way other players see us as a guild. What you're suggesting is basically: "See who can click the fastest".

This basically results in a system where we all have the pickup shortcut on our toolbars and we're sitting there spamming the button until the drop is out, which is what happens in other mmos.

Teos: Kaeya | .Kaeya. | xX-Kaeya-Xx Lailah: Kaeya | Kaeyah | .Kaeya. Everything you need to know about boss farmers: http://forums.aeriagames.com/viewtopic.php?t=138510

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PostedJul 03, 2008 6:50 pm
colins wrote:
hey there rev

ezekiel3387 like you yourself stated before in not so many words dont whine about it not being unequal for Alliance and furies  



I said I wasn't, I was wondering to the reasoning behind it. Way to read, and add to the discussion.

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PostedJul 03, 2008 6:50 pm
colins wrote:
hey there rev

ezekiel3387 like you yourself stated before in not so many words dont whine about it not being unequal for Alliance and furies  


I'm not complaining, i think it is balanced, 4 bosses, but rather tough...

Anky 1 boss, but rather easy Very Happy

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PostedJul 03, 2008 6:53 pm
Relevence wrote:
colins wrote:
hey there rev

ezekiel3387 like you yourself stated before in not so many words dont whine about it not being unequal for Alliance and furies  


I'm not complaining, i think it is balanced, 4 bosses, but rather tough...

Anky 1 boss, but rather easy Very Happy  


I actually did not know his aoe was physical based. My ranger doesn't hold up against him...I will have to try and creep up on him at a higher lvl and see.


or just magic defy xD

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