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kireet1992

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PostedJul 04, 2011 6:56 pm

Well its a good idea...

I decided to help you out aeria, i tried the wheel and i ended up loosing 1000 AP. so out of the goodness of my heart i decide to help you and you stab me in the back? good to know...
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hackafreak

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PostedJul 04, 2011 7:05 pm
^ Lol.

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yamadasama

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PostedJul 04, 2011 7:13 pm
Thorian_B wrote:
The pay out rate should average between 90%( if Aeria is greedy) and 98%( if Aeria is generous). If it below 90% pay out rate your just conning people out of their money... kind of like with the gold keys." Buy a gold key win a great prize! Here's your HS (that you can get free and commonly in wooden boxes, drops and quizes) thanks for playing got to go wash my ferrari now!"

For those that dont anything about gambling a pay out rate is how much of the revenue is paid out in prizes. thus 100%- payout rate = profit margin. If aeria is making more than 10% profit they are ripping people off and need to spend some time in Vegas. If the pay out rate is above 95% , they are being decently to pretty generous.

On 1000 AP spent on the wheel the wheel should pay back on average 900 AP or better.

Asking Aeria to make the payouts greater than 99% of the revenue on the wheel is like asking a business to give you goods for cost or below cost( and actually it probably cost them about 1-2% of the revenue stream to operate the wheel.)  


So in the context of my own results:

I don't have all exact numbers, but...

I played 10 spins 5 times, for a total of 50 spins.
5 x 240 = 1200 AP spent total

I started with about 1040 AP, finished with 374 AP. So I won about 160 AP + the 374 I finished with (since I spent 160 AP more than I started with), or 534 total. Which works out to about 44.6% payout (534/1200).

Moon_Phase

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PostedJul 04, 2011 9:38 pm
Seriously, people...gambling is bad. 9/10 times people lose more than they put in ~ its a business of making money, the 1/10 person who actually wins more than they put in is rare and games of chance like mystery boxes, spinning wheels and slot machines for instance are going to give almost everyone a bad deal.

How much I like Aeria Games, I cannot really condone the overuse of gambling type systems for rare items/AP etc, especially with little chance of the 'average joe' of winning anything. If anyone from Aeria development is actually reading these posts, I strongly advise looking into other methods to make money, gambling might make money short-term but long time...it'll bite you in the rear end after too many people get burned.

What people want is some form of ability to make free, yes FREE AP. Even if its a small amount like 5/10 or more once per day, the so called free offers are mostly scams and/or don't work very well. The free loot box is one step in the right direction, toss the players some bones occasionally and they'll more like concede some $$ right back at some point. Burn players and you'll get $$ up front, but down the line you'll get nothing but a bad reputation, sorry if this stings a little but its the honest truth.

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Entrium

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PostedJul 04, 2011 9:41 pm
/Karma to the poster above

deviantbias

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PostedJul 04, 2011 9:47 pm
^Seconded

yamadasama

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PostedJul 05, 2011 3:55 am
Thirded. I do like the Rainbow Wheel of Rainbow in Kitsu Saga, which basically amounts to giving us the opportunity to obtain premium items at a random discount ranging from modest to quite substantial. Even though it's not quite as nice as when it was first implemented (but bugged), the rates are still decent, and even though it still feels like a loss, even the lowest prize is still a small discount off the purchase price of a rainbow dust, so it's still a win, basically a couple of AP over break-even. But I've found little value and much frustration in most other gambling systems in the games I've played.

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PostedJul 05, 2011 6:17 am
why cant i play? :O its say its not available

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gnleugim

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PostedJul 05, 2011 7:52 am
Moon_Phase wrote:
Seriously, people...gambling is bad. 9/10 times people lose more than they put in ~ its a business of making money, the 1/10 person who actually wins more than they put in is rare and games of chance like mystery boxes, spinning wheels and slot machines for instance are going to give almost everyone a bad deal.

How much I like Aeria Games, I cannot really condone the overuse of gambling type systems for rare items/AP etc, especially with little chance of the 'average joe' of winning anything. If anyone from Aeria development is actually reading these posts, I strongly advise looking into other methods to make money, gambling might make money short-term but long time...it'll bite you in the rear end after too many people get burned.

What people want is some form of ability to make free, yes FREE AP. Even if its a small amount like 5/10 or more once per day, the so called free offers are mostly scams and/or don't work very well. The free loot box is one step in the right direction, toss the players some bones occasionally and they'll more like concede some $$ right back at some point. Burn players and you'll get $$ up front, but down the line you'll get nothing but a bad reputation, sorry if this stings a little but its the honest truth.  


QTF

Zimvo

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PostedJul 05, 2011 9:02 am
Lost 300 AP Sad how sad
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