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Zaebja

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PostedMar 25, 2013 9:27 pm
Septette wrote:
Wait.. SP isn't the issue here. It's the long cooldowns. If we spend too much on passives, wouldn't we end up with a bunch of weak attacks, since we're forced to invest in several different skills?  
I'm still pretty strong actually and this build is made for tanking in PvP mostly. With the help of your teamates you will be fine, with a medic I was the top scorer with 8k points lol

oops forgot again:
Cool down time happens everyonce in awhile, I'm just waiting for a higher level cap and then the wait time will be dealt with. For now you just have to deal with a 1~3 second wait.


Another Edit:
I will be making a guide soon for the 3~5 builds I have done during CB, I hope it will help when I'm done :d
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Septette

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PostedMar 25, 2013 9:44 pm
Zaebja wrote:
Septette wrote:
Wait.. SP isn't the issue here. It's the long cooldowns. If we spend too much on passives, wouldn't we end up with a bunch of weak attacks, since we're forced to invest in several different skills?  
I'm still pretty strong actually and this build is made for tanking in PvP mostly. With the help of your teamates you will be fine, with a medic I was the top scorer with 8k points lol

oops forgot again:
Cool down time happens everyonce in awhile, I'm just waiting for a higher level cap and then the wait time will be dealt with. For now you just have to deal with a 1~3 second wait.


Another Edit:
I will be making a guide soon for the 3~5 builds I have done during CB, I hope it will help when I'm done :d  


Great, it'll be a big help! Cool

I tried a build without adding any passives. It was fine in PVE but i'm not so sure about PVP because I only pvp-ed twice, and I normally die fast. I just hopped into the mech and mashed the skill buttons hahaha.

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PostedMar 26, 2013 2:03 am

HP Different

Does anyone know about the HP different between "No HP Passive Whipper" vs "MAX HP Passive" at level 29 and level 38?

I can't find any Stats Builder for Scarlet Blade and just wondering should I ignore HP Passive or not, because its 41% Different when max out the HP Passive (at level 38 ).

If anyone have Screenshots, it would be really great ^_^

Thanks in advance!

I was just play around with the Skill Simulator and these are my thoughts:

Level 29 Whipper with 2 max able HP/DEF Passives:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#zabqtfomsysmgbzwsyhiwphrrbgeetxv
+117 DEF with lv 10 DEF Passive.
+32% HP with lv 10 HP Passive.
Weaker AoE Skills.

Level 29 Whipper with 1 max able DEF Passive and Zero HP Passive:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#brrrevktcaeoskkynknjanpyagvhomilr
+117 DEF with lv 10 DEF Passive.
No HP bonus.
Stronger PvE with higher level Plasma AoE Skills.

I am planning my level 38 Whipper should be like this:

With max HP Passive:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#brslnrzxljlizzkzydphjpocugvfhuzao

To have level 13 HP Passive, I have to sacrifice other AoE Skills as well as I can't max out the DEF Buff "Ultimate Soulshield" (only 7/10)

With No HP Passive: (level 37)
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#ckkbayizuveqbklwwcftvsxevmzdshrsl

Now I can max out DEF Buff "Ultimate Soulshield (10/10), get level 1 second Def buff "Defender's Might" and have stronger Voltage AoE Skills.

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PostedMar 26, 2013 7:07 am

Re: HP Different

cloudy237 wrote:
Does anyone know about the HP different between "No HP Passive Whipper" vs "MAX HP Passive" at level 29 and level 38?

I can't find any Stats Builder for Scarlet Blade and just wondering should I ignore HP Passive or not, because its 41% Different when max out the HP Passive (at level 38 ).

If anyone have Screenshots, it would be really great ^_^

Thanks in advance!

I was just play around with the Skill Simulator and these are my thoughts:

Level 29 Whipper with 2 max able HP/DEF Passives:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#zabqtfomsysmgbzwsyhiwphrrbgeetxv
+117 DEF with lv 10 DEF Passive.
+32% HP with lv 10 HP Passive.
Weaker AoE Skills.

Level 29 Whipper with 1 max able DEF Passive and Zero HP Passive:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#brrrevktcaeoskkynknjanpyagvhomilr
+117 DEF with lv 10 DEF Passive.
No HP bonus.
Stronger PvE with higher level Plasma AoE Skills.

I am planning my level 38 Whipper should be like this:

With max HP Passive:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#brslnrzxljlizzkzydphjpocugvfhuzao

To have level 13 HP Passive, I have to sacrifice other AoE Skills as well as I can't max out the DEF Buff "Ultimate Soulshield" (only 7/10)

With No HP Passive: (level 37)
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#ckkbayizuveqbklwwcftvsxevmzdshrsl

Now I can max out DEF Buff "Ultimate Soulshield (10/10), get level 1 second Def buff "Defender's Might" and have stronger Voltage AoE Skills.  


I'm 99% sure the values gotten from that skill build.. planner.. simulator thing are NOT reliable.

I actually compared the values to those of my own character, and they didn't match. Besides, why would the DEF passive add 117 DEF?? I mean, 117 is a strange number right?

Anyway, since you only added 1 or 2 skill points in most of the attacking skills, how good is your whipper's dps? owo

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PostedMar 26, 2013 6:40 pm
Zaebja wrote:
Septette wrote:
Wait.. SP isn't the issue here. It's the long cooldowns. If we spend too much on passives, wouldn't we end up with a bunch of weak attacks, since we're forced to invest in several different skills?  
I'm still pretty strong actually and this build is made for tanking in PvP mostly. With the help of your teamates you will be fine, with a medic I was the top scorer with 8k points lol

oops forgot again:
Cool down time happens everyonce in awhile, I'm just waiting for a higher level cap and then the wait time will be dealt with. For now you just have to deal with a 1~3 second wait.


Another Edit:
I will be making a guide soon for the 3~5 builds I have done during CB, I hope it will help when I'm done :d  


Looking forward to it >_>.

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PostedMar 26, 2013 7:39 pm   Last edited by cloudy237 on Mar 26, 2013 7:51 pm. Edited 1 time in total

Re: HP Different

Septette wrote:
cloudy237 wrote:
Does anyone know about the HP different between "No HP Passive Whipper" vs "MAX HP Passive" at level 29 and level 38?

I can't find any Stats Builder for Scarlet Blade and just wondering should I ignore HP Passive or not, because its 41% Different when max out the HP Passive (at level 38 ).

If anyone have Screenshots, it would be really great ^_^

Thanks in advance!

I was just play around with the Skill Simulator and these are my thoughts:

Level 29 Whipper with 2 max able HP/DEF Passives:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#zabqtfomsysmgbzwsyhiwphrrbgeetxv
+117 DEF with lv 10 DEF Passive.
+32% HP with lv 10 HP Passive.
Weaker AoE Skills.

Level 29 Whipper with 1 max able DEF Passive and Zero HP Passive:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#brrrevktcaeoskkynknjanpyagvhomilr
+117 DEF with lv 10 DEF Passive.
No HP bonus.
Stronger PvE with higher level Plasma AoE Skills.

I am planning my level 38 Whipper should be like this:

With max HP Passive:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#brslnrzxljlizzkzydphjpocugvfhuzao

To have level 13 HP Passive, I have to sacrifice other AoE Skills as well as I can't max out the DEF Buff "Ultimate Soulshield" (only 7/10)

With No HP Passive: (level 37)
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#ckkbayizuveqbklwwcftvsxevmzdshrsl

Now I can max out DEF Buff "Ultimate Soulshield (10/10), get level 1 second Def buff "Defender's Might" and have stronger Voltage AoE Skills.  


I'm 99% sure the values gotten from that skill build.. planner.. simulator thing are NOT reliable.

I actually compared the values to those of my own character, and they didn't match. Besides, why would the DEF passive add 117 DEF?? I mean, 117 is a strange number right?

Anyway, since you only added 1 or 2 skill points in most of the attacking skills, how good is your whipper's dps? owo  


I know that those values in the Simulator is not reliable and I am mostly using that to calculate how many points I need to level that and what level it is...

Lets forget about the DEF Value, I am more worried about HP Passive.

For DPS PvE, I have my Plasma tier to kill mobs (as well as other skills). Till now, my level 24 Whipper still do it ok.

Just for PvP in Janus or Turnpike, I mostly use my Mech to deal damage, and I think those Mech's skills are independent from your Arkana's skills, right?

For later levels, those HP Passive will scale better with better gears (of course it is applied to ATK as well), but isn't it better HP will do better in PvP (which we will encouter more and more in later levels)?

In your theory, I am thinking of sacrifice ALL my Passives, include NO HP nor DEF Passive at all and max out all my AoE for better AoE Damage, what do you think then?

(I checked ingame and guess that Max level 13 DEF Passive will give 120 DEF, Max level 13 HP Passive will give 41% HP)

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PostedMar 26, 2013 7:47 pm
Just doing a bit of copy and paste pasta of my post from the other whipper thread talking about builds.

This is how I personally went about it.
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#nenhozxltwgstydjcdogghjbmrbagcdox

My main focus was getting the min requirements for 3-4 targets on each aoe. I largely ignored the higher chakra aoe skills, Electric Temptest and Immolation, after putting a point in them cause of their ridiculously long cd. I plan to upgrade them more after 29, but for now I am leaving them at 1. Also, kept a point in the first two single target skills we get because of the need to have filler moves while waiting for the cd's on your aoe skills. Over all, I found this to be the most effective form for me. Didn't get provocation because I'm not planning to use it as this is a solo type of build.

Ieadership wrote:
Your better off just having 1 or 2 points in the solo skills as-well if your grinding by yourself.
At the moment when I am leveling by myself, with only AoE I set all my skills out in terms of cooldown so I spam the smaller ones first and the bigger ones last, so I can sustain fight with the smaller ones back up again. But, alas, you will always run out on cd's eventually.  

Exact reason why I left one point in the two low cd single target skills.

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PostedMar 26, 2013 8:03 pm

Level 43 Build

How about this level 29 Whipper build:
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#gfzdqlhcqrbcgajxfkizfdkqaamffxlat
- No HP Passive
- Level 10 DEF Passive
- Decent Voltage & Plasma skills.
- Low level DEF Buff, low level 1st tier skill (Single skills tier)

And what do you think about my (far far future) level 43 Whipper (with 2 new KR skills) as below: (can be build up from level 29 above)
http://sb.reyva.com/sim/ss#gfzxzhwhifiavedmsvqxgrcjgiwitpqep
- Maxed HP & DEF Passives.
- Maxed (lv 5) Sadist's Choice for Knock-out 2.8 sec.
- Decent Voltage tier (level 6 first skill and level 4 second skill - can Silence 5 people).
- Decent Plasma tier (level 7 first skill and level 5 second skill - can Burn (DoT) 4-5 people and it's prerequisite for level 43 Plasma skill - huge Burning (DoT) power)
- Only 1 level Hook, and 1 level new Hook (can hook 3 people at once).
- Only 1 level for 2 DEF Buff skills.

If I go for those two builds above, then when I am level 29, I am almost done for my AoE Skills (only need to invest 2-3 points for those).
After level 29, I will only need to focus on my Passives to survive better in PvP/Battlefield.

May I ask for your opinions?

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PostedMar 26, 2013 8:36 pm
Totally offtopic: Is it only me that whenever I click a link to someones build (doesn't matter who's it is) it just goes to a skill calculator with some random build (might have been mine when I was playing around with skill calculator) so I can't even see peoples builds? T_T

Edit: Either I'm blind or there's no delete post button, anyway I found out what's up with it and fixed it. Now I can finally check out other builds Smile

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PostedMar 26, 2013 8:40 pm

Whipper

Look at this!!
This Sexy whipper is going all out with critical rate/attck, and bringing the fury out for some woopin!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdFMOX6XUuw

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