Rekikyo wrote:

Killa_1112 wrote: @ Ama people left because the economy took the same turn it did with OS and (Again) Aeria did nothing. People could see it was going to be the same so they went back to the servers they actually had something on rather then battle their way through again.   The economy was predicted since day one. And it was purely driven by resale of items that only allowed resell through artificial inflation. Since your AP is GONE when you buy a 30 day conti (no promos, no rebates), that makes it FACE VALUE. Furthermore, no one buys more than they need of a package like that. So, if you expect PX to be "fixed" in regards to its economy, wouldn't that mean introducing ..... wait for it ...... promos? Seriously; Don't even go into the whole duped gold speel. That was such a small portion of it.

No, it was more than you think. Gold does not appear out of thin air. We got in weeks what took OS servers years to reach.

Regardless of how we got there, the fact is the same, it got there and nothing was done. again.  

Killa_1112 wrote:

Rekikyo wrote: Killa_1112 wrote: @ Ama people left because the economy took the same turn it did with OS and (Again) Aeria did nothing. People could see it was going to be the same so they went back to the servers they actually had something on rather then battle their way through again.   The economy was predicted since day one. And it was purely driven by resale of items that only allowed resell through artificial inflation. Since your AP is GONE when you buy a 30 day conti (no promos, no rebates), that makes it FACE VALUE. Furthermore, no one buys more than they need of a package like that. So, if you expect PX to be "fixed" in regards to its economy, wouldn't that mean introducing ..... wait for it ...... promos? Seriously; Don't even go into the whole duped gold speel. That was such a small portion of it.   No, it was more than you think. Gold does not appear out of thin air. We got in weeks what took OS servers years to reach. Regardless of how we got there, the fact is the same, it got there and nothing was done. again.

The gold was not there. It was all chasing a single 30 day conti.

100 players buy 100 rec runes @7 mil each, giving one player 700 mil.
That player then buys 14 30 day contis 50 mil each.
Then that player resells them 2 days later for 100 mil. Then player buys Ele I's for 350 mil each from UoF, and then sells them to a AoL AP buy for 700 mil, or 20 OP each.
Then he sells the OP's, or offers to do a 1 OP per 15 OP on OS trade, and then buys fun cards on OS for 12 OP , buying 50,000 AP. Then he buys AP on PX and starts the inflation cycle again.

This is what actually happened on PX. The systematic creation of wealth by a very small number of resellers, and pricing things at prices only the most prestigious players could afford. We created an economy where 1% held 99% of the wealth and 99% of the players shared the other 1%.

The NT Contis didn't help this, as they gave certain players who figured it out huge liquidity within the first two or three days.

I KNOW this was occuring, because I had two guildies who were doing it, and not afraid to say. By week one's End, one of my guildies had 20 billion. By Week Three he had 45 Billion. Purely from reselling, and storing the gold in the AH.

And, you can tell that this was the reason, because gold sellers wouldn't be scaring off 60% of the players. Players would adjust to prices, albiet grumpy. Instead, most players began starving. Just as many quit because of this starvation, as did the ones who quit because they viewed it as a failed promise.  

You can argue whatever you want but the fact is you need to read he Shaiya PX thread again. It clearly states power to the grinders as well as many other things that will make you re-think your theories.  

why is pvp dying?  

geoffinho2006 wrote:

You can argue whatever you want but the fact is you need to read he Shaiya PX thread again. It clearly states power to the grinders as well as many other things that will make you re-think your theories.

I seriously think you haven't read it.

Here: Read it again:
Phoenix Thread

Note that the thread has never once been Edited.

If you can find the words you claim are in there, I will be very surprised and go for an eye exam tomorrow.

I don't quite know how anything I am saying has anything to do with grinder entitlement btw; I'm merely discussing why it failed, and when people left, and how transparent it was that this was purely a way to get people to spend more money from day 1.

Please enlighten me on "many other things."