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Expire66

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PostedDec 28, 2012 8:23 pm
RollaR_50248,

You have fair points, friend. However, I must disagree with the free AP promotions. The major rewards require you to buy insurance or download a sketchy add-on or program. and the lesser rewards take a long time to accumulate. Not only that; but some of them are potentially malicious and flood your input email address with spam.
I speak of personal experience with facebook points.

The game is enjoyable, I wouldn't play it otherwise. Very Happy
The hourly grind is of some concern, I'd like to be strong and I'd like it to take a long time. But I don't want it to be impossible to stand on equal ground with most of the VIP. Being a mortal among both demi-gods and titans is fairly despairing.

You are right that the balance in this game is better than most of the others and that we should always expect an elite few whom none can hold a candle to. But for the sake of balance, such people should have their own Battleground brackets at the very least. One can only sneak to and from the crystal pile before they're caught by the Kings.

"Light thinks that it is faster than everything, but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds that the darkness has always gotten there first and is waiting for it."
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PostedDec 28, 2012 9:44 pm
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decadencefool,

Perhaps you misunderstand; I'm not against the VIP, I'm simply yearning for a balance between those who spend money and those who spend time on this game. Those that I have listed are simply examples of people whom I will most likely never transcend, regardless of the number of hours I grind in-game.

The VIP are purchasing Balens (This is based on personal observation), which in and of themselves provide a huge boost in potential as many of the incredible items may only be purchased with Balens. I.E. wings, the best crops, mounts, socketing rods, double honor scrolls, and end-game quality gem plans.

The above create a massive gap in strength between themselves and free players such as myself, which I wouldn't mind except for one very core component of Wartune...PvP.

Your funding argument is incorrect, funding is mostly covered via advertisements through various portals. Facebook ads, youtube ads, wiki ads, pop-ups, search engine suggestions, button click counters, etc. Yes they do make some money through the purchase of Balens, but those profits are also split among Aeria, R2, or other platforms used to support / access Wartune outside of their official website.  


Well if you look at the game there is a fix limit of things you can possibly do per day. Hence Even if a non paying player stays on for 24 hrs grinding there is NO way he can get ahead. Besides you have just named players that cash and are rather active. Euphoric for example is almost online the whole day.

Lastly i found your counter argument about funding is quite queer, Aeria gets money from placing advertisements on other sites and facebook?
Well correct me if im wrong but I dont see adverts on aeria's portals or forums. Only way I could think of its through the "free" deals that they offer giving out AP the various stuff people have to do.

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PostedDec 28, 2012 10:22 pm
Expire66 wrote:
RollaR_50248,

You have fair points, friend. However, I must disagree with the free AP promotions. The major rewards require you to buy insurance or download a sketchy add-on or program. and the lesser rewards take a long time to accumulate. Not only that; but some of them are potentially malicious and flood your input email address with spam.
I speak of personal experience with facebook points.  


If you click on the event i linked in my last post that is an EVENT not an offer or survey. If you make a silly picture using paint program (available on all windows OS) you have a chance to win 500 AP, no gimmicks, no spam nothing, takes 5mins to enter. Aeria holds that kind of event/contest regularly, you just have to spend a few mins trawlling forums to find them. Also Aeria facebook page often posts contests for 500 AP, usually riddles need to be solved to get them. Again, no gimmicks, no spam, just a simple event on facebook. They are also held often. They are quick and easy ways to get nice amounts of AP quickly. take a few moments to search for them, and enter the one i linked Very Happy

 
You are right that the balance in this game is better than most of the others and that we should always expect an elite few whom none can hold a candle to. But for the sake of balance, such people should have their own Battleground brackets at the very least. One can only sneak to and from the crystal pile before they're caught by the Kings.  


please see my response about bg brackets HERE
We should be getting these hopefully, just need to be patient until it's our turn to get the relevant update

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PostedDec 28, 2012 10:30 pm
decadencefool,

I'm beginning to suspect that you're trolling.

Surely you've seen the top right corner of the forums page just above the shoutbox running advertisements that range from Eden Eternal, DK Online, DDtank, Wartune, and others. Throughout the various pages of Aeria alone, there are horizontal strips of advertisements for the games that they host.

Wartune is also at the top of the list on Aeria's splash screen for browser games.

The same principle applies to websites such as Coca-cola and Pepsi that make money just by people visiting them or clicking the respective "like" button. If you'd like to know more about Viral Marketing and the profits made therein, there are plenty of classes available at a local community college.

As for the fixed limit of things that can be done in a day, not entirely. Spenders can buy more raid attempts, refresh their cooldowns on research, crops, and construction.

"Light thinks that it is faster than everything, but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds that the darkness has always gotten there first and is waiting for it."

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PostedDec 28, 2012 10:50 pm
RollaR_50248,

Interesting....I completely missed your link. I should've expected as much from staying up so late. I'll have to keep a sharp eye on the forums for these events. Thank you for the link.

In regards to your BG post. You are right, we will get the update soon enough. In the mean time, I must brush up on my ninja skills to reach the Crystal pile....and while I'm at it.....I should brush up on my MS Paint skills as well. xD

"Light thinks that it is faster than everything, but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds that the darkness has always gotten there first and is waiting for it."

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PostedDec 29, 2012 8:46 am
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decadencefool,

I'm beginning to suspect that you're trolling.

Surely you've seen the top right corner of the forums page just above the shoutbox running advertisements that range from Eden Eternal, DK Online, DDtank, Wartune, and others. Throughout the various pages of Aeria alone, there are horizontal strips of advertisements for the games that they host.

Wartune is also at the top of the list on Aeria's splash screen for browser games.

The same principle applies to websites such as Coca-cola and Pepsi that make money just by people visiting them or clicking the respective "like" button. If you'd like to know more about Viral Marketing and the profits made therein, there are plenty of classes available at a local community college.

As for the fixed limit of things that can be done in a day, not entirely. Spenders can buy more raid attempts, refresh their cooldowns on research, crops, and construction.  


I am not expert in internet marketing but my understanding is that this is how it works:

Party A has a website,
Party B (a third party) wishes to advertise on Party A's website,
Party B pays Party A for said Advertisement on the amount of clicks made through Party A's website (known as pay per click or ppc ),
As Party A's website gains popularity, it is able to charge more for it's ppc.

The difference between this model and what happens with Aeria is that there is no third party, no Party B. All the game links you see are to games within its own site, they do not link back to developer site. That is not a means of generating income for Aeria.

Aeria pays a licence fee for it's games, it also incurs expense managing the games, testing, managing updates etc. So it is only natural that it selects games that are able to generate income. However, since the games are not developed by Aeria, the in game prices are set by the Developers. Remember the developer generates income through licensing out and through players spending on it's own gaming site, so it sets the prices based on it's own income generation models. The developer's costs include developing the game, maintaining it, managing the licence(s), and promoting the game. It might have alternative means of income but that doesn't help the publishing companies who need the game income too.

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PostedDec 29, 2012 11:24 am
RollaR_50248,

Wait really? Then that would mean Aeria itself makes no profit save for the purchase of Aeria Points. Then again, Aeria acts as a portal only for certain games and not for others such as Evony, Atlantis, or Castle Age. I would imagine that they split a small portion of the profits from the games that they host as they act as a platform within a large community of Gamers, Game Sages, and wiki contributors.

So then broken down; VIP is an income generator by the Developers of Wartune for themselves. Aeria Points is an income generator by Aeria. Aeria itself is a gateway through various games in which it has its own server. Then the advertisements within Aeria are for Aeria's profit?

Ah, then the advertisements outside of Aeria such as Youtube, external game wikis, facebook, pop-ups, and horizontal portraits, are profit for the Developers directly.

It all falls into place, then.

"Light thinks that it is faster than everything, but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds that the darkness has always gotten there first and is waiting for it."

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PostedDec 30, 2012 6:27 am
Just my 2 cents on this.

I have outed my concerns about items not being available to ALL players (eg. wings / Double honor scrolls and others) on a seperate topic on this forum. Everyone needs to be able to et the same items, funders should be able to get them faster.

The other issue is the splitting of Battlegrounds to limited levels 50-55 / 55-60 etcetera. However on the middle to long term everyone will reach a higher lvl and differences become smaller and smaller, Funders just were able to get there a lot quicker.

As Rollar says - any game will have pple spending big amounts of money to compete in the top, just like some are doing in this game (like me because it is the only game I am playing at the moment). I can only suggest to you to maximize your resources in game to compete as high as possible, and perhaps if you are willing minimize expenditure by getting VIP and wings. THese 2 things will bring you very close to most of the players.

Another tip might be to surround yourselves with some heavier spenders for MP runs and Team Arena - this way you can maximize xp gain from a scroll (do camps right after fast MP runs) and get more insignia from team arena.

Being in a strong guild helps this process along as well.

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PostedDec 30, 2012 8:08 am
Euphoric77,

I thank you for the advice, maximizing output and running with a strong herd will greatly help me in the long run.


I would also like to apologize for this starstruck moment....Holy cow! Euphoric commented on my thread!

"Light thinks that it is faster than everything, but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds that the darkness has always gotten there first and is waiting for it."

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PostedJan 01, 2013 6:36 pm
Expire66 wrote:
But there are also gaps that I cannot clear, regardless of hour input. Wings for example are not available to the free players at all; therefore if I fought with another player who was the exact same level and had the exact same equipment and astrals as myself, but he had wings, I would lose. That is not due to my being less skilled, but is due to an item that I cannot acquire by any means other than the purchase of Balens.  


I fail to see your problem unless you fail to understand what playing a pay to win game means.

I will be honest I have no respect fort those kind of games in general, they are like a bunch of casino-slot machines fused together, a lot of colorfuel pictures to click on and sparkling items filling your inventory in a constant stream ... but the game only consists of gambles and competetion betwen player egos.

what makes wartune enjoyable are the high fidelity graphics and the not so shallow combat system

wartune s called a refinded f2p browser game but in reality the minds who created this simply put together the most adicting and money draining mechanics of all the other f2p games out there ...

that said you cant play the game without being vip really, being able to skip all the cooldowns alone makes the difference ... but even as a vip you start to grind your legs of between lvl 33 and 36. Being vip alows you to play the game as intended. playing free just locks you from making any reasonable progress

but dont worrie, everyone who starts to spend more then 20euros a month for this game has lost to it Very Happy
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