he may very well have been. I didn’t count drop cos they don’t fetch that much and aren’t that common I know you get them but let’s face it your lucky if you do.

And try to sell them in the market the only way you can get rid of them is a quick sale to the npc merchant and that only get you a few k. I’ve made more money at level 50 then all the other levels put together.

Higher level player complain that they have to grind for weeks to find that item of armour and i know what it’s like I started when you couldn’t change class on armour or weapons. And finding lvl57 boots they are as rare as hen’s teeth.

SODIT wrote:

Im still trying to work out how dropping the price of hs in the item mall to 199ap this is still way too much for them at current katar prices that would make them 7~8million them being the same price as lss. Dropping the price of item mall items I’m all for but it doesn’t seem to have really helped. Also a few with ap will just buy them all up and sell them for the same price which i don’t think is too high btw. And also a high level player cant find his post now but he said he has no money! and that the high level player are the ones paying through the nose. sorry that’s just rubbish as he then went on to say as soon as the gm setup shop he would buy 1000 heaven stones now don’t get me wrong if he hadn’t just said he had no money I would have let it slide doesn’t 1000 hs at 600k = 600,000,000 or 6 billion gold so who doesn’t have any gold you think 1 to 2 million is too much then I’m sorry your just greedy! All players who don’t power level have to save up money. And id say that the lower levels in this case are in fact the ones supporting the higher level with weeks of grinding to find them heaven stones and you have the bear face cheek to call us greedy. I myself do not sell heaven stones and have only ever used them or as part payment for items and i don’t see why the lower levels should get it in the neck from noob high level players who want their cake and eat it. we are high level player who buy up all the items in the game and force the price up but it’s not our fault it’s the low level players who sell them not us. Kay666 wrote: If you wanna blame someone, blame all those stupid plvlers AP junky who crashed the market !! Blame the Upgrade probability event !!!!!!!!! Blame those greedy players !!!!!!!!   ok ill address all the issues in this quote first of all your wrong on every point first of all if you have ap and buy ap items to lvl then in game gold doesn’t come into it they cannot crash the market it they aren’t buying or selling items. The upgrade event gives some player the chance to upgrade who cant afford the price of hs that has been pushed up by you noob high level players. Ok you need to add Blame those greedy high level players End or rant for now..... There are lots of things in this thread that wanted to make me shout at the monitor Ps. higher level players grow up and stop thinking you own the game PPs. especially those who have said they don’t buy ap it’s not hard and it doesn’t show you have worked harder at the game just that you’re not supporting it financially.

If I am so wrong, why an old player with such knowledge , Gmartin aka Martinea agree with me ? Why, Agrona agree too ? It's so easy to blame the high lvls.

4 months ago you could buy 100ap for 1mil. The Ap junky came with their new rules, now, you pay insane prices. Crits pots 5mil? 6mil? MAN ! They are 150 ap for 5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said in my post, the upgrade event ruined the HS price !! You think it's again the high lvls who boosted the price for sure !!!!!!!!! Think what you want, I don't care at all. We don't own the game. Who did you meet to get such a bad image from the high lvls !!?? You been pk'd when you were a noob and you're still mad at em ??

I think YOU need to grow up a bit and open your eyes of what happens in game.

Now, let's see how the economy will goes with those HS and with the new drop rate.

I am not a high level (7x) yet but I have friends who are and I know it costs them a lot to go drop hunt for that piece of b5/6 armor they are missing or to make some gold. It's not always about high levels ruining everything.

drop hunting can be very expensive


idbs
lucky scrolls
spellbooks

pluse your regular power killing items to get the most kills before the books and scrolls wear off

manna stealers
hp stealers
crit pots
adrenalin
etc


then at the end you get to open each item you did get for 1m ea
if its junk..which most is..you have alot of overpriced smelts

alot of items under 100m its can be alot cheaper to buy them than try to get them yourself

unless you do the whole process on the cheap
no aids of any kind , you still have to open the item and a high percentage of the time, the item isnt worth the cost to open it. Then your talking an avg of 1 drop per hr or so, depending on area and luck.


LL

now my turn to have some fun...

SODIT wrote:

first of all if you have ap and buy ap items to lvl then in game gold doesn’t come into it they cannot crash the market it they aren’t buying or selling items.

stop and think... where are all the iris' coming from? how bout all the crit pots? adrenalin?... duuuuuuuuuuuuude can you tell me what mob drops those? seriously i wanna go drop hunt those... iris esp... plat sp pills... i mean yea...

in all seriousness those are IM things that change the in-game gold market. the impact of those is pretty major. if you only buy im thing to lvl yourself thats 1 thing, how many ppl actually do that? minority. most will buy some for themself and the rest sell.. thereby impacting the market...

The upgrade event gives some player the chance to upgrade who cant afford the price of hs that has been pushed up by you noob high level players.

wrong again... the upgrade event gives everyone with hs a chance to break their gear. if you want hs, sp farm. how do you think i wound up with probably 150+ in storage without buying? i'm 91 yes, but i've been sp farming since lvl 78, and gues what, hs stack up. i have no need to buy because i gain enough from my farming.

btw, i challenge you to an noob contest... which was first... merac ot dratan? which map wasn't a completed product when it was released (as is mammoth blank spots)

before you start generalizing those of us who have walked the walk maybe consider that elements of LC arent obvious until you reach them. there are hidden elements to the game that dont show until you are right in the middle of them or know someone who is...

Ok you need to add Blame those greedy high level players End or rant for now..... There are lots of things in this thread that wanted to make me shout at the monitor Ps. higher level players grow up and stop thinking you own the game PPs. especially those who have said they don’t buy ap it’s not hard and it doesn’t show you have worked harder at the game just that you’re not supporting it financially.

well, i've bought a grand total of $40 worth of ap... guess why, i earn my own money and i have expenses to handle; and at this point i cant afford to buy more, would if i could... so letcure all you want about growing up... just remember your generalizations arent accurate. you're making broad sweeping generlizations that simply arent true.

fact is though, it is harder to grind wthout ap. i've done it more or less without because thats my playstyle. i can do it, others can... so before you say it doesnt mean anything; you walk the walk... walk the walk, then lets talk if it means anything.

And yes the player who power levels skips the hard levels that you spend loads of money on pots and stuff and get into the money monsters without any fuss. Your right at first the power levellers will have less gold then soon they have millions for let’s face it not much work on their part.

so remind me again how many power lvl'rs stop lvling at demons and ghosts for say 4 months to get gold?

But wait you get lucky you may find few hs and can now use them to buy that higher armour +, to help you but no! the Stalin like higher level players want to cap the price can you see my point low level players don’t have millions upon billions and when they get a few hs you want them for nothing well all your going to do is stop lower level players selling them.

LMAO now we're stalinists?

wow whats next nazi?

lets look at the facts...

fact: hs have not always been 600k... along those lines for a long tme i refused to buy anything over 450k.

fact: hs were not 600k when i started out or when many of us started out.

fact: there are many of us who have made it to the 8x, 9x, and 10x range.

ok so; easily established is the fact that hs have not always been 600k in the market. so if we made it with "cheap" 150k hs why can't you? are you telling me that players today arent as creative in ways to make money and get what they need? are you seriously trying to tell me that hs are the only way to make money anymore? pets aret worth anything? armor drops? ms?

Like I said in my post, the upgrade event ruined the HS price

the upgrade event did really set this off. prices never went back to their previous lvls. they rose the same about it seems, but the start point always seemed to be higher...

I only have one question - What are Heaven Stones?

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scionwspeaks wrote:

I only have one question - What are Heaven Stones?

Oh you dumb scionw *hit scionw with a shovel* LOL !

scionwspeaks wrote:

I only have one question - What are Heaven Stones?

Yes, what are these mysterious items which are in such great demand, and why are they in such great demand that players shell out tons of gold to get them?

You use ordinary smelting stones to get any item to +3, with no risk of breakage or downgrade, but a higher chance of failure. Then you use Lucky Smelting Stones to get the item to +6, guaranteed, no chance of failure, no chance of breakage, and no chance of downgrade. Thereafter, you have a few choices ...

You can use ordinary smelting stones, Heaven Stones, or Chaos Smelting Stones to get to +10. Ordinary smelting stones have the greatest chance of failure, and therefore of breakage, but they're also the least expensive of the options. Heaven Stones have less of a chance of failure (and therefore of breakage), but their price since I've been playing has gone from 500k to 700k-2mil (depending on a few variables, including what server you're on, and whether there's an Upgrade event scheduled in the near future, and how much time remains before the Upgrade event begins, as well as how much a player wants to sell them for); you can also obtain them free as drops, earn them by successfully completing a Quiz event, win them in contests, or buy them with AP. Chaos Smelting Stones guarantee an upgrade all the way to +12, with no chance of failure, but their in-game gold cost is astronomical (they are the most expensive option if purchased with in-game gold); they can, however, be obtained from Chaos Ballz purchased with AP.

Now let's add RoP I into the equation. Starting at +6, if you use RoP I with an HS, there's no chance of breakage, but a failure can still result in downgrading of the item (it can also result in no change to the item). You can do the same with ordinary smelting stones -- with no risk of a downgrade. Yes, the chance of failure is greater, but that means nothing but no change; RoP I insures against breakage, and there's no chance of downgrading with ordinary smelts before +10.

It seems a no-brainer: use ordinary smelts to get the item to +3, then LSS to get it to +6, then ordinary smelts with RoP I to get it to +10. Then 2 CSS to get it to +12. No HS used at all to this point.

Now you have to resort to RoP II with HS or RoP II with ordinary smelting stones; either one will be prevented from resulting in breakage by the RoP II, and either one will have a chance of downgrading or resulting in no change. Here's where the player has to decide whether the greater probability of success given by an HS is worth the risk and the cost to get a +12 item to +13. Or you could also use an Extreme Stone to get it to +13, with 100% chance of success, but if you do, you won't be able to use it to get from +13 to +14, and a +13 item is a much greater loss than a +12 weapon. So here you can choose 3 options; most people seem to believe that HS with RoP II is the best choice at this point, since a +12 weapon isn't as much of a loss as a +13 weapon if it breaks or downgrades (using RoP II removes the chance of breakage, so with that involved, you only have to worry about downgrading). Prior to this point, there's really no reason why one has to use an HS -- of course the Upgrade Probability events do increase the chance of success, but since many players break items during these events, I would still assert that, prior to this point, there's no pressing need to use an HS on any item, if one can obtain LSS, RoP I with normal smelts, and CSS, by purchasing them yourself from the Item Mall (the ordinary smelts naturally do not have to be purchased from the IM). If you want a decent plus with no risk of real loss (breakage or downgrade), use the ES here, get your +13 item, and then stop trying to upgrade (which means you never need to use an HS at all).

Then, should you choose to proceed further, you get an Extreme Stone to get the +13 item to +14, unless you did so in the previous upgrade, in which case, you're going to have to resort to HS and RoP II.

Then you have only one choice, and that's HS with RoP II to get a +14 item to +15.

It looks to me as if there are only two points where HS need to be used to get an item to +15 (at +12 or at +13, and then again at +14). Of course, if the item is downgraded somewhere along the way in this process after having used an ES, then the ES option is gone, and you'll have to start at +10 with 2 more CSS, then use HS and RoP II to get to +13 and again to +14 and again to +15, which means a whopping three points in the process (okay, five, counting the two previous uses, and this may increase depending on the statistics in your particular case) where HS would need to be used.

After that, with covers and Bonus Books of Melding, it is possible to get an item to +16, for a month. There may be some risk involved here; I'm not certain, as I've never done it myself, and don't know of anyone who has done it to ask them about it.

So in the end, all this frantic rush to blow all your gold on HS seems to me like a great deal of silliness. Sure, they give a somewhat higher chance of success, but there are additional risks involved if they are used at +3 to +11, and even greater risk, which increases with each successful plus, if they're used at +11 or higher.

Now, what are HS? Are they really worth 1-2 million gold to you? Think about it.

woop you go girl