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Alastoreo

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PostedApr 12, 2012 6:35 pm
http://www.quickmba.com/marketing/product/lifecycle/




Every new ep is a potential new product. To bad ep5 is so bad.
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alex.mihai

GameSage: Shaiya
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PostedApr 13, 2012 1:07 am
HoldenMcNeil wrote:
Dajess wrote:
I applaud the OP for taking a stand and wanting to see changes.

I have, on occasion, made similar pleas to the community.

While it is true, as stated earlier in the thread, that these "call to arms" movements can backfire and send people fleeing in disgust, I think that it is equally as true that when we stop looking for the answers, we simply resign ourselves to living with the problems.

I'd like to put a little different twist on the topic by asking the question in a slightly different light. What would you, as a member of the Shaiya community, be willing to endure in an effort to restore a workable economy to the game?

We have heard in the past the maybe they should wipe the entire game economy and start over. If that happened, how many would stay? This is information that AGE has to have before they even consider putting any drastic plan in motion. As far as I know, there is no plan to do this and it is only used as an example.

One of the first steps is to increase community involvement. As was also stated earlier, a very small percentage of the players actually use forums. I think that talking to your friends and guildies in game, that never come here, and encouraging them to weigh in on the subject, would be a good start.

Most problems have a solution and I imagine that this situation has one as well. Whether it's incredibly complicated or very simple and easily applied, will depend a great deal on what the public will accept.

I believe that threads such as this are helpful in the long run because they create discussion and keep people thinking of solutions. The only way to guarantee failure is to never try so keep working at it.

Be good to each other and enjoy the game. Smile  


This my friend is why you made my list of coolest [GS]'s ever. The voice of reason and logic  



Nice post Dajess You should definetly apply for GS once again Smile

Best regards,

-JoE

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kostasfm

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patra Greece
PostedApr 13, 2012 3:04 am
A)Put AP to drop in game with decent drop rate not like Halloween masks ,military helmets etc or add it to the useless firecrackers npc that it supposed to be AP vendor [add Op's ,def-power lapisia ,lucky charm ,sonic lapis -flash ,Rec Runes ,helmet lapis lv 1 , CRR and PID and slotted helmets and capes]

B) Increase drop rates everywhere and remove endure lv 1-lv2-lv4-lv5-lv6 or make it use full
by quests like the lv 3 endure

C) Fix the EXP rate 55-60 [at these lvs you need more exp to lv up than at 60 to 61 ,61 to 62 etc]

D)Add a window with ok or cancel at all the Ap that you need to click it so to activate it ,just like exp remove pills ,many people activate it by mistake many times while they try to transfer between toons or when they try to sell it.

E)

1) If you have a PID, gear should never drop from your pack
2) Some sort of PVP chat or lower / do away with, interpretation skill.
3) The bugs where the other faction can get into and kill players standing next to the guards/tower and get away.
4) Guards not reacting because of terrain/position ====>Change the gaurds to Archer ones that kill at 1 hit.
5) Ultimate Item Pockets put back into game, either a drop or for gold. It's where the problem started and I believe it is part of the solution.
6)Fix the raid option ''random drop'':the drops shouldn't drop down at ''ground''
7)Make pots-Enchant items-lapis Stack-able to 255 and fix the pots [stack-able to 255 and to heal the percent that description gives ]

F)Make Events At all time zones and more frequent .

And Keep the crap about ''it is company and if you put all ap ingame the game will close ''.I will Explain :
I didn't said all ap ,but the above Ap's are ''must'' to play the game ,they aren't ''luxury'' items like exp stones ,movement-summon-tele stones ,*** change scroll etc.
I will give you example of other game that has for ''AP'' items only ''luxury'' items like skins ,exp stones etc [not same type of game but it is truly free to play game] league of legends and many other games .

i add this suggestion too,do all the above first and then advertise the game more.



p.s just a copy paste from other post but it seems that all above suggestions aren't good and worthy to discuss at this game-company.If all these were done there woudn't be need to change linking chances or to remove gold or for gold sunk and game will be become more ''alive''.

Have fun:)

mrhill22509

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PostedApr 13, 2012 9:53 am
kostasfm wrote:
A)Put AP to drop in game with decent drop rate not like Halloween masks ,military helmets etc or add it to the useless firecrackers npc that it supposed to be AP vendor [add Op's ,def-power lapisia ,lucky charm ,sonic lapis -flash ,Rec Runes ,helmet lapis lv 1 , CRR and PID and slotted helmets and capes]

B) Increase drop rates everywhere and remove endure lv 1-lv2-lv4-lv5-lv6 or make it use full
by quests like the lv 3 endure

C) Fix the EXP rate 55-60 [at these lvs you need more exp to lv up than at 60 to 61 ,61 to 62 etc]

D)Add a window with ok or cancel at all the Ap that you need to click it so to activate it ,just like exp remove pills ,many people activate it by mistake many times while they try to transfer between toons or when they try to sell it.

E)

1) If you have a PID, gear should never drop from your pack
2) Some sort of PVP chat or lower / do away with, interpretation skill.
3) The bugs where the other faction can get into and kill players standing next to the guards/tower and get away.
4) Guards not reacting because of terrain/position ====>Change the gaurds to Archer ones that kill at 1 hit.
5) Ultimate Item Pockets put back into game, either a drop or for gold. It's where the problem started and I believe it is part of the solution.
6)Fix the raid option ''random drop'':the drops shouldn't drop down at ''ground''
7)Make pots-Enchant items-lapis Stack-able to 255 and fix the pots [stack-able to 255 and to heal the percent that description gives ]

F)Make Events At all time zones and more frequent .

And Keep the crap about ''it is company and if you put all ap ingame the game will close ''.I will Explain :
I didn't said all ap ,but the above Ap's are ''must'' to play the game ,they aren't ''luxury'' items like exp stones ,movement-summon-tele stones ,*** change scroll etc.
I will give you example of other game that has for ''AP'' items only ''luxury'' items like skins ,exp stones etc [not same type of game but it is truly free to play game] league of legends and many other games .

i add this suggestion too,do all the above first and then advertise the game more.



p.s just a copy paste from other post but it seems that all above suggestions aren't good and worthy to discuss at this game-company.If all these were done there woudn't be need to change linking chances or to remove gold or for gold sunk and game will be become more ''alive''.  


/agree with full post..only thing I will say is about the Archer guards it wouldnt work against fighters/warrs that activate eagle eye

kwasi101

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PostedApr 13, 2012 11:59 am
AGE must not be losing $$ becuase if they were IM 10000% Sure that they would have been listening to the people who actually spend money on this game, but most likely they arent so, in thier opinion WHO CARES! As long as the Flow of $$$ is coming in why change anything lol

ShieldWarr

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PostedApr 13, 2012 12:19 pm
They are losing thousands compared to last year im sure, what with alot of the lvl 70 UM's cancelling there AP subscriptions and alot of them also quitting the game entirely.
They cant "fix" anything at there end only the game Dev's can do this
BUT our PM's DID screw up our item mall with highly priced AP gears and massively overpriced EoM tiers and mystery boxes forcing casual AP buyers to be left out of the EoM tiers and AP gears and become food for the now created " Wallet warriors" that our PM's created from the little rich kids, good business in the short term but massively dumb move in the long term ( this is why Tactics is back to try and fix it ).
Our servers are getting smaller so in basic logic there are less people to buy AP so they are losing money, sadly due to there own greed from the item mall and creating Wallet warriors.

xybolt

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PostedApr 13, 2012 2:54 pm
Dajess wrote:
Let's face it. The Board of Directors are probably not gamers. They are businessmen/women. They have one goal and that is to run a profitable business. That isn't saying that they aren't concerned with consumer satisfaction, product quality, etc. . . , of course they are, at least to the extent that they are tools and indicators of just how successful a venture is.  


i do understand that Aeria is a company and that there is a pressure at the PM's to keep a game profitable. But you have profit and profit.

  1. small profit vs large profit

    spaz said somewhere else that a tier should bring 600% revenue. I was shocked about this amount. I'm pretty sure that if it goes to 300%, that the game is still profitable. A nice look how aeria is generating money is their acquirement with IJJI. I'm not sure what the cost is for this acquirement, but that new asset of games and maybe a large part of community members would be in some millions. You cannot start an acquirement if you don't have a capital buffer for it. A bank wouldn't loan a company the whole cost for an acquirement, even if the company says that they would be able to pay back the monthly bills. ( NHN has helped AGE ofc, but still ... )


  2. profit = income - cost

    That's a simple economic rule. Look to the 4 servers which aeria has atm. It is not even at 50% of maximum capacity. They aren't doing a decent cost-effective business. There are also another examples which can lower the cost. And if the cost got lowered, then the company can afford to lessen the income.

  3. damaged product => less customers with an AP purchase potential

    it is pretty simple. You can have a large amount of people which is spending their RL money at half of price that a small amount of people is spending. A damaged product doesn't attract people a lot. There are factors which isn't even product-based that a pretty part of people is prepared to spend more to cover the loss at large group spendings due of damaged product.

Trollonix

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PostedApr 13, 2012 5:49 pm
Moved to Rants and Raves!

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